Class system problem in vanguard?

[Rammathorn]

I've played alot of mmos but spent most of my time on Everquest 1 and 2 and WOW. Ive noticed in all these games there was always a prob;em with classes and grouping. For example in wow(the easiest to relate too) All melee damage dealers like a rogue hunter and fury warriors were never wanted in groups. Only casters were wanted in instances. They did decent damage ansd were able to crowd control so why take anything else. This was the same issue in EQ. Rogues rangers etc. were not wanted in groups,mages and wizards were taken over them. This is scaring me in vanguard. Is it worth it to make a rogue, ranger, bard, monk? Or will every group spot be given to casters like every other MMO? Anyone know if sigil planned ahead and tried to balance this out? Anyone feed back is apperciated.

[LordOfLA]

have you seen the melee types tear trhough mobs? Last night I was taking on one at a time, whereas a bard 3 levels above me was taking on 10 and winning. I could barely manage 3 as a caster.

Maybe thats down to inexperiance, but I was impressed with that bard and disciple pair last night!

[Rammathorn]

Yes i know i have a rogue in beta right now and im tearing things up. like you said im takeing on 3 mobs at a time when casters are takeing 1 MAYBE 2. But same as in wow or EQ rogues no doubt put out the msot damage but people still wanted mages or wizards/locks. Melee damage dealers are never wanted in high end groups, only in raids because over time they put out the most damage out of everyone. Is it going to be impossible to get a group as a rogue?

[Exum]

The problem with casters is they use Energy (their primary spell consumption pool) and it doesn't regenerate as quickly as Endurance does. So, essentially, melee classes will be able to consistantly put out a lot of damage over a longer period of time because of the replenish rate of Endurance over Energy. They may very well even have better Burst-Damage capabilities as well. But everything in the game has a purpose. They have buffs and debuffs as well, just like casters, and various forms of crowd control. You compared them to the Rogues or Hunters in WoW. Sure, they didn't CC as much as a mage did, but they had other primary roles that were just as essential... Like pulling at long distances, or the ability to completely wipe agro, or what have you.

Not to mention, Bards here can write and compose their own songs to support virtually any kind of encounter you come across. They are the masters of buffs AND do very impressive damage.

I don't see any reason why someone shouldn't roll an Offensive Fighter here. It's all about choices, though, and you have plenty of them.

[Pel]

so far im pretty well impressed with class balancing, i think that maybe there are a few slipups, but afterall it is still beta. i havent played sorceror yet, but so far it seems easier to me to lvl up with my bard, than it was with my druid. although i was playing with a bloodmage today, and it was really easy to take on 2 yellow people at the same time... where with my paladin i couldent even kill 1 yellow person, their bloodtap is crazy good lol but thats for soloing not grpage ^^

[Kethra]

I've had the privilege of not having to look for pickup groups for a long long time due to a tight knit group of friends in my gaming life. We all play whatever characters we want, and try to make it work in a group (and succeed). I'm usually always the healer, but I don't mind.

The point is, I personally see no difference in having a caster or a melee. I've run the gambit of group compositions from no tank to having 3 tanks, 2 healers and 1 dps... So, the class system isn't the problem, it'll be a problem if people make it one and naively discriminate based on class, when all can work in most any given setting (IMHO).

[Pel]

wow i wanna join your grp = D lol unfortunatly my close nit grp of friends stuck with FFXI so im comming here all alone = / and even then my close nit grp of friends are all at different lvls, play times, and there are only like 10 of us = / so i almost always lived in pick-up grps... sigh...

[Kethra]

There's nothing wrong with pickup groups, ye just have to accept the fact that some are going to be good and some are going to be massive failures. Then you have the great ones that just click and you rock through dungeons.

Really, good communication is the key. Oh and general common sense is required for all group members.

[tehgeek]

Originally Posted by Pel

wow i wanna join your grp = D lol unfortunatly my close nit grp of friends stuck with FFXI so im comming here all alone = / and even then my close nit grp of friends are all at different lvls, play times, and there are only like 10 of us = / so i almost always lived in pick-up grps... sigh...

We rescued one of the guys from work from FFXI.