Before you flame a warrior for wanting utlity...

[moloka]

3. Most Pallys I see are Dwarves. That's fine, I guess: it's their money every month that pays for their account. Dwarves are almost ALWAYS harder to heal

End game raiding...depending on just exactly how tough it is...your going to be loving thos dwarfs with there racial I can promise ya lol. They have the best in my opinion of any class, racial as far as tanking. When it comes down to the wire the dwarf will be easier to heal with that racial.

[Pudsley]

Originally Posted by velzevul

I am happy for warrior class to be where they are, and if you are bashing wars for not being useful... l2p.

You sir, are the very definition of a troll, you have no idea what you are talking about, who cares if you are happy with where a Warrior is right now?

"and grouping with a level 48-49 warrior friend of mine"

Well let him come on here and argue the case, you certainly don't have any right to talk, to argue a point using "your friend" as leverage screams troll, next time bring experience.

[Pudsley]

Originally Posted by Venge

I usually don't respodn to these kind of posts but here it is. I am sorry sir but you are incorrect on so many levels I do not even know where to start. What level did you go up to? How did you play? Any case. I'll shed some light on what happens to the warrior, as a warrior.

1. Warriors get +15% mitigation in their defensive stance, same as the Paladin.

2. Warriors can self-buff their mitigation by +20% for 30 seconds on a 30 second recast timer. Paladins can LoH at the cost of VP. Paladins recieve HP buffs all well and easy, however when it comes down to it, they are supposed to do so.

3. Each protective fighter recieves a block ability line which lowers hate from each block.

4. Warriors do have a mitigation advantage because we can buff mitigation the highest at any given time. Did you level up your warrior to recieve the defensive stance?

5. Warriors recieve buffs however they are on short durations but they are sanctioned around dps.

Battle Frenzy/Veteran's Furor - +20% Melee Accuracy/Melee Haste
Shout of Fury - +100 STR for 12s.
Form the Line II - +25% Mitigation for the group for 8 seconds.
Charge II - +25% Damage for the group for 8 seconds.
Just listing the groups. Paladins are supposed to help defend the group. Therefore that's what they do.

I'm keeping it short. I'm tired.

Few things...

2. Warriors can self-buff their mitigation by +20% for 30 seconds on a 30 second recast timer. Paladins can LoH at the cost of VP. Paladins recieve HP buffs all well and easy, however when it comes down to it, they are supposed to do so.

I loved this part of being a Warrior, I was happy with the ability to reach max mitigation via SC and BB, however....and I am by no means sure on this, I have recently been informed that there is a soft cap for mitigation at present, and I was led to believe this buff will never take us beyond that (65% or something I think it was mentioned) it was also mentioned that all three tank classes were able to hit this mitigation soft cap fairly easy, is this the case?

Battle Frenzy/Veteran's Furor - +20% Melee Accuracy/Melee Haste

At first I loved this move, awesome idea, but then I came to realise that for the most part I never use it, it requires offensive stance and therefore is only really useful if you are not the main tank, switching back and fourth takes time, whilst we don;t have aggro problems I can't afford to be dawdling in offensive stance using up my precious once a minute Myr's gift on a group buff like this, even if it is awesome, my group would be out aggroing me whilst I mess about trying to get Battle Frenzy and Vet's Furor on.

So frankly it's next to useless to me.

Shout of Fury - +100 STR for 12s.

I really could care less about this temp buff, 12 seconds is no time at all and the difference is negligable, I use it in conjunction with enrage, power attack and a full decimate combo when soloing, but other than that you'll barely notice a difference.

Form the Line II - +25% Mitigation for the group for 8 seconds.

Nice idea, but as of yet I have found little to no use for it, I can see situations where it "might" be useful but I have yet to have used it even once.

Charge II - +25% Damage for the group for 8 seconds

I like charge I really do, however....8 seconds is far too short, I'd rather have half the increase at a more reasonable time like 30 seconds.

Our monk uses a two handed bladstaff, my damage is negligable, our sorcs have heavy damage with reasonably long cast times, in 8 seconds they usually get two attacks off possibly a third, not much of a bonus is it, how much benefit the group sees off of an 8 second buff is purely down to luck, not skill.

I know Warriors can't have true buffs, since it's just not warrior like, but why is it the tactical masters of the battlefield fail to inspire their troops for more than eight seconds at a time?

Even if there is a way to make use of these really short commands it's far from fun using them, I feel like the Tesco supermarket slogon "Every little helps", stuff little, I'd much prefer something substantial and more noticable.

[Tuddar]

3. Each protective fighter recieves a block ability line which lowers hate from each block.

Just a minor correction, but DK block line doesn't lower hate. And it doesn't have any cooldown other than the GC.

Paladin and Warrior block line are very similar. DK is quite different.

[Cobalty2004]

Originally Posted by pudsley

Few things...

I loved this part of being a Warrior, I was happy with the ability to reach max mitigation via SC and BB, however....and I am by no means sure on this, I have recently been informed that there is a soft cap for mitigation at present, and I was led to believe this buff will never take us beyond that (65% or something I think it was mentioned) it was also mentioned that all three tank classes were able to hit this mitigation soft cap fairly easy, is this the case?

At first I loved this move, awesome idea, but then I came to realise that for the most part I never use it, it requires offensive stance and therefore is only really useful if you are not the main tank, switching back and fourth takes time, whilst we don;t have aggro problems I can't afford to be dawdling in offensive stance using up my precious once a minute Myr's gift on a group buff like this, even if it is awesome, my group would be out aggroing me whilst I mess about trying to get Battle Frenzy and Vet's Furor on.

So frankly it's next to useless to me.

I really could care less about this temp buff, 12 seconds is no time at all and the difference is negligable, I use it in conjunction with enrage, power attack and a full decimate combo when soloing, but other than that you'll barely notice a difference.

Nice idea, but as of yet I have found little to no use for it, I can see situations where it "might" be useful but I have yet to have used it even once.

I like charge I really do, however....8 seconds is far too short, I'd rather have half the increase at a more reasonable time like 30 seconds.

Our monk uses a two handed bladstaff, my damage is negligable, our sorcs have heavy damage with reasonably long cast times, in 8 seconds they usually get two attacks off possibly a third, not much of a bonus is it, how much benefit the group sees off of an 8 second buff is purely down to luck, not skill.

I know Warriors can't have true buffs, since it's just not warrior like, but why is it the tactical masters of the battlefield fail to inspire their troops for more than eight seconds at a time?

Even if there is a way to make use of these really short commands it's far from fun using them, I feel like the Tesco supermarket slogon "Every little helps", stuff little, I'd much prefer something substantial and more noticable.

[Pudsley]

Heh, was hard to read your reply Cobalty....you quoted yourself and took me a while to figure out what was said by you and what was said by myself.

The SC/BB raise mitigation comment was a slip up, at level 50 I really do know the difference, in fact I can't believe I wrote it, must've been tired.

Good suggestion about "Form the Line", I never used it since as stated never found a use for it, I had forgotten about it when they changed commands to affect ourselves as well.

I'll use it to fill the gap when Warders Bulwark is down on really tough mobs, although it still needs a longer timer, maybe 15 seconds.

[LadySirse]

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