2h or dual when using MG

[izikiel]

So im guessing 2h for the MG->kick->dec->obl stuff is alot more effective? Although DW has more sustained dps over a longer fight?

But is 2h better for soloing? Anyone tested this?

[Gryz]

I haven't tested it. Mainly because I can't afford 3 good weapons (2 1-handers and a 2-hander).

I dual-wield 2 short swords. I've decided to do that because they both give me +5% crit. Finishers seem to do the bulk of the damage for me. Having +10% crit seems very valuable. More valuable than some extra dps from a 2 hander. I understand that slow weapons will make specials hit harder. But as finishers are triggered by crits, I think crit is more important overall.

Just a gut feeling.
Without addons to track dps, hits, crits, white versus yellow damage, etc, it is gonna be hard to find the real answer. I'd be interested in hard facts.

Oh, and of course an important fact is that I played a rogue in WoW, who dual wielded swords. Dual wielding, and managing my endurance as a warrior is almost the same as playing the rogue in WoW.

[moloka]

Im not 100% positive but I think the 5% crit chance on shortsword gets cut in half in secondary hand doesn't it? to 2.5%?

Either way I am in the same boat. I live by 2 shortswords. I find the crit ratio is far much better. Only drawback is you put all your eggs in one basket relying on crits. When you don't crit things get hairy heh.

[freakybig]

This is a question I've had since I started up my warrior.

I've stuck to whatever best combination of 2 weapons I could afford. I've always kept my best dps in my primary hand and my other in my off hand.

I'm still looking to hear what reason I'd have to try out a 2 handed weapon. Please share!

[Kend]

As far as I can tell the special dmg created by a special ability such as decimate only applies to your main hand weapon, though I may be wrong. It seems that whenever i use decimate i hit for 300+ with my main hand weapon and still hit about 100 with my off hand. I am only lvl 16 so it could be wrong, or the dmg done is also cut in half from the offhand or possibly not affected at all. With my 2h Axe i decimate for about almost 500.



Kend Warrior Thunderaxe

[Tuddar]

Originally Posted by Kend

As far as I can tell the special dmg created by a special ability such as decimate only applies to your main hand weapon, though I may be wrong. It seems that whenever i use decimate i hit for 300+ with my main hand weapon and still hit about 100 with my off hand. I am only lvl 16 so it could be wrong, or the dmg done is also cut in half from the offhand or possibly not affected at all. With my 2h Axe i decimate for about almost 500.

Kend Warrior Thunderaxe

Specials apply their bonuses to offhand as well. It's a little confusing, because Vanguard doesn't separate offhand damage in an obvious way in the logs. There isn't a separate line for offhand damage, it appends the damage done with offhand to the figure for mainhand on the same line. So what you see in the logs is "Your ability hits Mob X for 300 (200+100) damage". The 100 is the offhand damage.

You can easily see this is the case by just removing your offhand, and then looking at your log. You will see it will now show "Your ability hits Mob X for 200 damage". The +dmg in parenthesis will be gone.

Here's a short log where you can see the effects while using DW. Notice the auto attack damage hits for 162+95, while the Decimate hits for 1121+500. The 95 and 500 are the offhand damage. You can see the other specials are doing the same.

[13:28:42] [13:28] You begin autoattacking.
[13:28:43] [13:28] <BLUE>You rend Desolation Wolf's armor.
[13:28:45] [13:28] You slash Desolation Wolf for <highlight>257 (162+95)</color> damage.
[13:28:45] [13:28] Your <highlight>Kick III</color> hits Desolation Wolf for <highlight>201</color> damage.
[13:28:45] [13:28] Critical hit for an additional 67 points!
[13:28:45] [13:28] Your <highlight>Decimate III</color> hits Desolation Wolf for <highlight>1621 (1121+500)</color> damage.
[13:28:45] [13:28] Critical hit for an additional 540 points!
[13:28:47] [13:28] Your <highlight>Obliterate I</color> misses Desolation Wolf!
[13:28:50] [13:28] Your <highlight>Devastating Blow IV</color> hits Desolation Wolf for <highlight>754 (511+243)</color> damage.
[13:28:53] [13:28] You stop autoattacking.
[13:28:54] [13:28] Your <highlight>Brutal Strike IV</color> hits Desolation Wolf for <highlight>865 (582+283)</color> damage.
[13:28:54] [13:28] Critical hit for an additional 288 points!

[Tuddar]

Originally Posted by freakybig

This is a question I've had since I started up my warrior.

I've stuck to whatever best combination of 2 weapons I could afford. I've always kept my best dps in my primary hand and my other in my off hand.

I'm still looking to hear what reason I'd have to try out a 2 handed weapon. Please share!

There are a couple of reasons 2H can be desirable over DW.

1) Double damage on crits
2) Equip costs. A comparable 2H to DW setup will cost you half the equip costs using 2H. Which means you have more % to use better gear in other slots. So, for example, if you have two Lvl36 Rare DW short swords that cost 18% equip costs apiece and you have a Lvl36 Rare 2H that costs 18% also, then you save 18% equip costs.

Disadvantages:

1) 2H often doesn't have the same stat bonus potential a DW setup can
2) DW setup with short swords has a superior chance to crit bonus

There are probably other advantages and disadvantages for using 2H vs. DW, these are just the obvious ones I can think off the top of my head.

In the end, which setup is better to use is often a matter of situation and circumstances.

[velzevul]

1) 2H often doesn't have the same stat bonus potential a DW setup can

hey guys, i am a DRK occasionally trolling war boards because I do not want to be the kind of guy saying this class is good or bad or what not without knowing the true thing or 2 about the other classes. Plus my non-english speaking friends are playing a war, so I pass on the news to them that I read here, and it is really helpful, so I hope you do not mind.

I wanted to say a few words about stats.

I am wielding a really good 2H weapon, and I get about 15sh str and dext on it, and about 220 HPs, I do not believe I saw a combo of DW weapons that get that much, so I am not sure about DW stat potential.

What I would truly expect though, is DW having a higher and more smooth average damage curve, as opposed to a spiky 2H dmg curve, because of lucky series of crits and what not. DW hits more times and thus should mathematically offer a smoother curve of consistent damage. As a DRK tanking with a 2h, I find that I have to score a few heavy hits starting combat timeframe to have a fun fight after that, and if I do not fill my "quota" of damage done in the first 5 seconds, I might be forced to engage into rescue tanking.

Thanks

[Tuddar]

Originally Posted by velzevul

I wanted to say a few words about stats.

I am wielding a really good 2H weapon, and I get about 15sh str and dext on it, and about 220 HPs, I do not believe I saw a combo of DW weapons that get that much, so I am not sure about DW stat potential.

It can be difficult to find information, since the game is so new and item databases just aren't complete yet.

But here is an example:

http://vg-en.curse-gaming.com/databa...word-of-venom/

DW'ing a pair of those would give you 22 str, 16 dex, and 196HP. And a proc to boot. And that sword is two levels lower then your 2H (assuming your using Flawless Defender's Greatsword of Health, by your description).

DW builds tend to emphasis damage, so your more likely to see folks (and the broker) having things like this:

http://vg-en.curse-gaming.com/databa...d-of-striking/
http://vg-en.curse-gaming.com/databa...d-of-striking/