Warriors get Dual Wield?!?!

[danaan]

i think warriors should just be able to duel weild, i mean paladin and dread knight, doesnt fit to duel wield, but for warriors they are supposed to do the most DPS of tanks, and besides warriors should be able to use EVERYTHING to make up for the loss of magic, i mean why not? if a warrior duel wields, they do not use a shield, they have less armor but more dmg, this would make them usefull to a group without HAVING to tank, i mean, warriors should pretty much always tank yes but if im a warrior going with a group of friends who have a warrior tanking already to play around, i would switch to duel wield and have some fun!

[Chagas]

Back in the old days of EQ tanking, I don't think I ever saw a war tank with a shield, but then they didn't need to as long as their healers knew their game.

I think the one obstacle Tanks in general will have to overcome is the "WoW Mentality." I'm not trying to be incendiary with that comment either. Let's face it, Vanguard is being made by the folks who created EQ. From a tanking perspective, those who never tanked in EQ have some catching up to do. The theory is the same, but the practice (between EQ tanking and WoW tanking) is hugely different.

The folks who only know WoW are at a disadvantage if they keep clinging to the dynamics/mechanics of that game and expect it to hold true in Vanguard. To be fair, so would any EQ tank who expected the "tanking experience" in Vanguard to be exactly the same. It just seems that the learning curve for a WoW-only tank will be much steeper.

[Psio]

Originally Posted by Chagas

I think the one obstacle Tanks in general will have to overcome is the "WoW Mentality." I'm not trying to be incendiary with that comment either. Let's face it, Vanguard is being made by the folks who created EQ. From a tanking perspective, those who never tanked in EQ have some catching up to do. The theory is the same, but the practice (between EQ tanking and WoW tanking) is hugely different.

The folks who only know WoW are at a disadvantage if they keep clinging to the dynamics/mechanics of that game and expect it to hold true in Vanguard. To be fair, so would any EQ tank who expected the "tanking experience" in Vanguard to be exactly the same. It just seems that the learning curve for a WoW-only tank will be much steeper.

Aren't you contradicting yourself?

EQ1 tanks basically did agro by damage, that's why no shields (never had a tank there, healer all the way), while WoW (and others, eg DAoC) agro was gained by taunt abilities, so the shield's mitigation was more important than the higher damage from 2H/DW.

Even in the few days since beta5 start, I have seen lots of warriors wasting their energy bar on damage abilities and then struggle with keeping agro when no energy for taunts is left.

A DAoC or WoW tank need to safe their endurance/rage for taunting strikes or sunder armour/revenge, you would be very fast a "former MT" if you open up with damage strikes.

So it looks more that EQ1 veterans need to adopt. If you talking about the willingness and knowledge to change, true I would trust somebody from EQ1 more than from WoW, but thats another story

P.

[Arandarang]

Well, its simple, wow an eq were different games.

[Chagas]

Originally Posted by Psio

Aren't you contradicting yourself?

Nope. Sorry. I'm not.

Originally Posted by Psio

EQ1 tanks basically did agro by damage, that's why no shields (never had a tank there, healer all the way), while WoW (and others, eg DAoC) agro was gained by taunt abilities, so the shield's mitigation was more important than the higher damage from 2H/DW.

Again, sorry to say, you are wrong. While damage was a part of agro, EQ warriors had a variety of ways of keeping the agro. I'm not going to go into a treatsie on how agro worked there, go to TSW and read the EQ forums for that.

Originally Posted by Psio

So it looks more that EQ1 veterans need to adopt. If you talking about the willingness and knowledge to change, true I would trust somebody from EQ1 more than from WoW, but thats another story
.

I'm guessing you meant "adapt" and since Vanguard is it's own game, everyone will have to learn how to best deal with tanking and agro all over again. I'll also agree with your last point there too.