VF - Being passed over for Paly and DK's

[Pudsley]

Up until now I've been using my 5 man fixed group a lot, we've levelled up solo when no one was around and in small groups so I haven't had much chance to go searching for pugs.

However, this last few days I thought I'd help my Graystone fixed group out by farming some more insignias so we can complete the summonings.

I only seem to get into a group when there is no Paly and no DK about.

Seems despite the fact that I have superior Mitigation with my level 44 incarnation of Warders Bulwark up (not sure by how much) they value what a Paly and a DK can bring to the group more.

I've just seen a high level Paly in action and honestly I'm feeling very inferior here, how the hell are we supposed to compete for spots against a tank that has a "lull" ability so effective they can pull mobs over the lulled target?

Honestly that's one hell of an ace up their sleeve, at first I thought it was undead only, but it seems it's all mobs.

DK's aren't as bad in all fairness, but Dreadful Countenance is an awecome bonus to a group, whereas I have yet to convince anyone (including myself) that our 8 second group +damage skill charge and single target Press the attack buff are worth spit, most of them don;t even notice I'm using it.

I know there is most likely going to be a second pass on Warriors in the not too distant future, but honestly, commands are vastly inferior and I feel far from "Commanding" when I use them.

[Iskiab]

Yea I hear ya. I think the consensus is warriors need something. Thing is I'm not sure how far the devs will change the class.

I mean I'm expecting BIG changes. Are BIG changes coming or just tweaks? That's what I'd like to know.

[Artos]

My question is what is vanguard raid content going to look like? is it going to be similar to xp content, where any tank will do fine? if so warriors are pretty much the underdog tank class. no real reason to HAVE to have a warrior. but if the raid content is spun in certain ways and they give warriors some small changes. every tank class will be needed. and to be honestest id be ok with not being in demand in xp groups but needed on raids.

though something needs to be done to put warriors on an equal plain as DK and pallys

[Weidi]

Imo it is also the small things.
Like the 300% weap dmg on a protect and all that stuff.
+ the all the pally or DK only stuff.

And thus doesn t get fit up with myrmidon's and the finishers only also a not missing leap att. would fix it.


So my personal solution was i canceled my subscription and moved on.

I don t post this to make any customer mad or so. I post that in hope dev's maybe wake up stop buffing the uber classes and nerf the already close to worthless classes.
Also i personally wont wait for fixes that will earliest come in 4 month. No fun on that sorry. And i can t guess for an other date, when i saw that replacer for LA is ASAP made and put into game....! Guess we all know the replace for it will not come in the next 4 weeks, if it will find it way into the game at all.

[Apsu]

Originally Posted by Artos

My question is what is vanguard raid content going to look like? is it going to be similar to xp content, where any tank will do fine? if so warriors are pretty much the underdog tank class. no real reason to HAVE to have a warrior. but if the raid content is spun in certain ways and they give warriors some small changes. every tank class will be needed. and to be honestest id be ok with not being in demand in xp groups but needed on raids.

though something needs to be done to put warriors on an equal plain as DK and pallys

I'm not the kind of person who keeps dev quotes at his fingertips, but I do read quite a bit of what they write. From what I remember them saying, VG is not intended to be a raid centric game, there will be some raids, but most high end special encounters will be 2-3 group events.

And in those situations it is my understanding that yes, it will be similar to group tanking, and the tank classes will be interchangeable.

I was happy with the EQ model as well; leveling up a warrior was a serious challenge (for at least a couple years during pop era) as SK's and Paladins were by far the preferred group tank. Once you got that warrior leveled up though, it was a very worthwhile class for raid tanking, and a very satisfying end game.

I'm not really as upset with my class as a lot of others are atm, I'm not waiting for a new LA. I'm hoping for something that makes the warrior unique though, and I'd rather that come in some form of weapon usage as opposed to spells or buffs. I feel I'm spending far too much time staring at my UI as it is (I need to set up one of those fancy hotkeys that do a bunch of abilities in order like many of you have ), and would rather see my class as a weapon master than a caster with a sword.

[Pudsley]

SInce I got Destroy II working (needed Destroy I for it to work) the replacement to leap attack isn;t as high on my agenda as it was, I still think we need it back, but it's no longer numero uno on my list.

Numero uno is now as Apsu pointed out "something that makes the warrior unique", that's my new priority.....the group commands aren't cutting the mustard.

I hoped to not be forced into high end raiding all the time, been there done that for years, it got pretty tiring in the end, sure I'll try raiding and do some MT work here and there but primarily I'm interested in small group activity, and we suck compared to the other tanks.

[moloka]

I caved, Got tired of waiting. No longer play Vanguard. Thought about re-rolling but I wanted to play a warrior. However finding groups is impossible. I gave up. sold off most of my gear and he sets in southwatch with a little over 1pp on him lol.

I gave them time....plenty of it. They are too interested in the minor things people haven't even got to then to adjust an important class with a much needed boost in some area or another...playing the warrior was fun while my roomate a shaman was playing. We could duo lots of stuff...since he quit I cant find groups and i refuse to spend all my time harvesting.

I might make it back one day when they fix all this crap...but as it looks and it has been in the past that is NO time soon whatsoever. I was one of the optimistic ones who was sure siding with Sigil and telling everyone to wait it out and that it will be a good game in time...guess its time to eat some crow.

[Apsu]

GL man, hope to see you back when they do get around to working on us. I sure am lucky I have my wife and a good guild to play with -- I haven't had to try out life with nothing but PU groups every night.

[Chagas]

Originally Posted by Apsu

GL man, hope to see you back when they do get around to working on us. I sure am lucky I have my wife and a good guild to play with -- I haven't had to try out life with nothing but PU groups every night.

I'm in the same situation as Apsu, I'm fortunate, but I can't say the same for the warrior class. I'm more curious to learn of ANY plans for us from the Dev side of things. Back in Beta we might have been a bit overpowered, but the axe has swung so far back in the other direction now - I'd just really like to know if there are any plans to:

A) increase our group utility. 8 sec "buffs" aren't seeming like such a good idea as the game stands atm.

B) solo ability. It'd be nice if we could solo the same things other classes can solo.

C) DPS - I'd like some back. Please.

D) AGRO control. I'd like rescues that actually rescue, I'd like to be able to effectively off-tank, or even trade aggro with another Tank (of any class)`

Disclaimer: Not looking for an i-win button. Not wanting to be "Better than" other tanks, I'd just like a bit of a more leveled playing field. As things stand, it seems that knight's can't use their abilities around wars wtihout taking agro, that's just dumb.

[Teresis]

2 things make me wonder about all this.

1. Don't half your skills have stun on them? I was seriously considering dropping my paladin and rerolling a warrior for that. Yes the paladin has some good stuff, but I find myself dying because I have zero crowd control and I get stuck trying to fight 4 guys at a time and get overwhelmed by the dps.

2. If the paladin or DK is so good and you aren't liking the warrior, why are you so stuck on it? I can't believe you guys would cancel your subscription because you don't want to play the class you like and don't like the class you want to play. That doesn't even make sense. I kind of want to play a warrior, but I really enjoy the paladin right now. If I could find a damn healer he'd be unstoppable.