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[Cobalt Katze]

I seriously doubt anyone's out to rape the language. Communicating via text is vastly different than writing a novel. They edit the hell out of those things. Is every single person expected to be an extremely talented writer? Some people have a very hard time forming sentences in real life even with spoken words. In the same vein, some people have a hard time forming sentences in text. When it's just people typing back and forth to eachother, it's rough draft every single time. Posting on a message board usually isn't novella-quality or expected to be so. We are simply trying to communicate as we would in day to day conversation using only text to aid us.

Were I really trying to come across as a well-written endeavor, I would post something like:

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Cobalt looks around, a puzzled expression planted firmly on his face. "I seriously doubt anyone's out to rape the language," he says in a relaxed tone. He sighs, squinting his eyes together with a slight grin, "Communicating in text is vastly different than writing a novel-" The expression then leaves his face, "-though I suppose that's not the case in this example."
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On the other hand, I understand where you're coming from regarding people that just lazily throw together poorly typed words and acronyms and smilies.

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dude i srsly doubt ne1's out 2 rape teh language LOL talking in text isnt a ******* book :P
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So I guess there's two sides of the coin for every situation. It however, is not a worthwhile battle to fight. Unfortunately no one will immediately change their style of typing, be it positive or negative in your eyes. It's possible in the longrun. I used to use "kewl" and "ROFL" so much, 6-7 years ago. But now I attempt to be as cohesive as possible. It's just what we're stuck with as a worldwide internet community.

*Note: Inappropriate language Glipped by Pirotess

[Pirotess]

Watch the langue please....

[Aredhel]

*snicker*

Ya beat me to it by seconds, Piro!

ok...so right there is a point! I'm laughing here at home and so, irl, I'd be smiling when I said that to him, so rather than RP my way thru it, since it's an informal setting, I put in a smiley!

And since this thread has been hijacked so badly to begin with....

Emoticons aren't the reason the written word is going downhill! It has a lot to do with teaching styles in the schools and what the teachers are letting the kids get away with. THEN, what they pick up on as they work thru games and such. It's the 133T sp33k that has messed things up more than anything else! And, as I said, I wouldn't allow it in my guild chat! Same as foul language.

Strict? Maybe so, but the people who came thru our guild wound up thanking us for our rules on respect and language. Since I've been perusing the VSoH boards, I have seen other GL's who have held to the same ideals, and it warms my heart! I'm not the only wierdo (or is it teacher??) out there!

Everyone has different styles. I've always been much more personal in my approach. It drives my other half nuts! He's much more articulate and conscious of proper speech. I want to make people feel like I"m talking directly to them, rather than above them. Same reason I like bean bag chairs over a leather wing chair! It's just the way I am! Very sincere and overly honest in my dealings and feelings towards people (probably scared the Sigil folks to death!), but that's the way I was raised! As someone said about me, "Very touchy-feely person!"

And that's the way I try to write, as well! And I have fun doing it. But then, that's me!

[Arctic_Slicer]

I just don't see why so many people spend 13 years learning the language to misuse it. Then again I have some sort of a reputation for being eccentric and idealistic. Since we are on the subject it seems another topic in regards to language has appeared in this thread. There are many words that for whatever cause certain people feel are inappropriate. The fact is the vast majority of people use them in everyday speech but use of these words is considered "wrong". Okay this is all well and good except for the fact that using any words that mean the same thing but without using the words in question is just fine and dandy. Why? If they have the same intent and meaning then why should one be more acceptable than the other? This is another thing that really annoys the hell out of me. In one respect we have smiles to help people express their opinion more clearly but then we sensor certain words which would prevent exactly why the smiles were provided. It really is nobody's fault it is just one of those things I always thought was just plain silly. Of course it gets even sillier when you consider that only certain words that some people feel are inappropriate get censored but others that other groups feel are inappropriate do not. Honestly I think it would be better if society adopted an all or nothing attitude and stoped with the double standards it really doesn't do society a favor to have so many arbitrary "rules".

On another note I probably shouldn't have used the word "book" for an example and instead should have used "essay". A well written essay rarely has self reference and doesn't need clarification behind the feelings of each sentence.

[Cobalt Katze]

Originally Posted by Pirotess

Watch the langue please....

Sorry Got carried away with my accurate representation of improper use of language on the internet. Fitting, almost!

[Pirotess]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Slicer

Why? If they have the same intent and meaning then why should one be more acceptable than the other? This is another thing that really annoys the hell out of me. In one respect we have smiles to help people express their opinion more clearly but then we sensor certain words which would prevent exactly why the smiles were provided.

Amusingly enough I subscribe to your thinking on emoticons for my position on cussing in written text. Personally I feel if they cant express themselves without the use of cuss words then they need to look closely at whether they should be speaking at all. Now of course Im a hypocrit for having that stance as I cuss in real life and even on message boards from time to time as well. That said, the reason I had to censor CK is not a result of my personal beliefs but rather the rules of being an affiliated fansite. We cant keep our status if we dont moderate our boards in the same way Sigil does.

As for double standards in our society I agree we need less of them and less political correctness. People need to say what they mean and not waste time beating around the bush.

[Aredhel]

Well, just for the record, I don't consider it a "double standard" at all. I don't apreciate anyone speaking like that around me, and if they do, they always apologize, which I find amazing, but very considerate! You won't hear it in our household, and if ya do, there's usually a funny look not far behind!

It all goes back to "respect," which, unfortunately, kinda went down the tubes even more when "political correctness" got so popular! So, I really do appreciate the rules concerning this that Sigil (and even SoE kept) has adapted!

Lincoln said, "Profanity is the attempt of a feeble mind to express itself!"

yup...many times!!!

[Arctic_Slicer]

Originally Posted by Aredhel

Well, just for the record, I don't consider it a "double standard" at all. I don't apreciate anyone speaking like that around me, and if they do, they always apologize, which I find amazing, but very considerate! You won't hear it in our household, and if ya do, there's usually a funny look not far behind!

It all goes back to "respect," which, unfortunately, kinda went down the tubes even more when "political correctness" got so popular! So, I really do appreciate the rules concerning this that Sigil (and even SoE kept) has adapted!

Lincoln said, "Profanity is the attempt of a feeble mind to express itself!"

yup...many times!!!

When I was talking about double standards I was talking more about how some people simply use different words that mean the same thing with the same intent but these words are okay when the other words are not. I said that these "rules" were silly. Why should the word in question be the problem and not the meaning of the word and how it is used be the problem?

When I was in high school I went to see a play with the drama students. The play was "Art" and it ended up causing a whole lot of problems with the school board because they felt the language of the play was cause to not allow students to be excused to go see. So instead instead of being excused to go see it by the school we ended up sluffing to go see because they wouldn't allow it to be an excused absense. The problem though is that after seeing the play I can tell you that the language wasn't exactly "bad". I heard worse in the school hallways on a daily basis. The problem they had with it is that one guy kept saying "this painting is a piece of ****". That really was about as bad as the language got and when we are talking about the meaning behind words and their intent I can tell you the language in "King Lear" by William Shakespear is worse than the language of "Art" but the funny thing was there was no problem when the drama students went to see "King Lear".

*Note: Inappropriate language Glipped by Aredhel

[Inqubus]

Somebody please help me gouge my eyes out now!!!!

[emote reserved]

[Aredhel]

I give up....