Sadly..

[sherrjo]

Whilst I agree that things should work straight away you cannot compare a PC game to a mobile phone.

As games get more complex you will obviously have more bugs.

I agree that the game seems to have been released too early but that is always a choice that's outside developers hands as marketing see a window for a product and eventually the balance between perfection and cost must be made.

I've grouped since 30th January and never experienced this group bug.

Still to the OP I hope your guild has fun finding a new MMO without any bugs. Don't forget to return here with your guild in a few months as this game is worth it. Don't return alone though as you'll be fighting monsters on your own as we'll all have levelled up.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by sherrjo

As games get more complex you will obviously have more bugs.

As technology progresses we expect things to be MORE reliable, not less!

why cant you compare a mobile?... it uses a massive network, it uses intricate software, video technology, sounds technology, user interface... if anything a mobile phone is the best itemised comparison...

and if not, then lets compare other products that sony develop... hmmm, I cant think of any sony product where they "obviously have more bugs" You cant honestly tell me that people who buy the PS3 or a new hifi are expecting them to not work?


"err... houston we have a problem!"

" yea, its to be expected things are way more complex nowadays we gotta expect some bugs - so stop moanin and live with it!"

[Nosyd-V]

I have to admit, I'm just hanging in there. I know this game has great potential and I enjoy such a lot thats in the game now. I crash about once every hour and I live with it. It does get annoying and that is one reason I never use auto-run. I have logged back in too many times to a corpse because I crashed while auto-running and must have run into a group of mobs or something. Sometimes It gets on top of me, so I just quit for the night.

I'm willing to put up with bugs and crashes, because I think Vanguard is and will be a great MMORPG. I'll only put up with it for only so long though. At the moment I can see Sigil are working hard on patching and bug killing. Once I see it slowing down and bugs that are here now are still here further down the road, then I'll re-evaluate and maybe move onto another MMORPG or take a break from MMORPG-ing altogether, until the next one comes along.

For now, I'm staying put and riding the wave.

[Ruyan]

Originally Posted by Snowman

And if you think about it, when you purchase other things in life do you simply accept the fact when it breaks or doesnt work?..

Would you be happy with a new mobile phone that doesnt work properly?.. what about your internet connection? if you were constantly getting cut off and getting bad service would you be satisfied with "sorry but this company is only a few weeks old" ??..

Of course you wouldnt... people are quite sensible and right to not accept it.. in fact its the people who grin and bare it who are in the wrong really

When you think about it... If this mobile phone has the exact features I want, the color I love, the ringtone I adore... and I can't get a, for my personal taste, comparable phone from another company on this planet....
Then yes, I don't care about minor issues and would even accept some major ones!

If you make comparisons with things like that ... think about the first cellphone, the first car, the first TV ... whatever! They all had their faults and the people just accepted them.
Well, this is not the first mmorpg, but it IS the first Vanguard, isn't it?

I understand where you come from, but it's kinda ... short sighted to make such assumptions like "in fact its the people who grin and bare it who are in the wrong really". I know there are bugs, and I'm as annoyed as the rest, but I like the game and I don't care about 15 bucks a month. But why is it wrong to enjoy a game even if it's buggy? Don't tell me it's because the game companies will keep on releasing unfinished games because people like me don't care about bugs and buy them anyway. Jebus, if there weren't people like me who don't care, I bet there wouldn't be any games either, because it just wouldn't be profitable.
I don't want to be offensive here, like I said, I understand where you come from. I just have the feeling people like you don't understand where I come from...

regards,
Ruyan

[Sheazy]

Originally Posted by Snowman

why cant you compare a mobile?... it uses a massive network, it uses intricate software, video technology, sounds technology, user interface... if anything a mobile phone is the best itemised comparison...

Well, for one, a cell phone company only has to make all of that work for a dozen or two models of phones which all may even be running the same software. Whereas, an mmo has to work for literally thousands of different hardware, software, driver, etc. configurations. Definitely not on the same scale.

Originally Posted by Snowman

"err... houston we have a problem!"

" yea, its to be expected things are way more complex nowadays we gotta expect some bugs - so stop moanin and live with it!"

The space shuttle still uses 1970s technology and they still have bugs with it


That being said, I'm lucky in that I've had encountered very few bugs/problems with the game thus far (crosses fingers), and none serious enough to even make me consider giving it up. Sigil has created an amazing game that will only get better with time, I'm willing to stick it out knowing they will get things fixed. I also realize that there is a lot of new content that will be going implemented in the coming months. I would even guess that some of it might have a bug or two when it is. I can't wait - it's all part of the ever changing world of mmo's.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Sheazy

Definitely not on the same scale.

maybe not the same scale, but the good thing about scales is that they are usually relative! - what applies to something on a small scale often applies to something on a large scale and vice versa - while this may not be the best example the principle is still the same (IMO)

Originally Posted by Sheazy

I can't wait - it's all part of the ever changing world of mmo's.

Interesting. Well we shall see! if MMO's to be released this year and in the future suffer the same problems then we can assume that its just the way MMO's are and will be forced to agree.

Personally I think that the days of merly accepting these issues should be a thing of the past by now, otherwise it will make all game developers grow complaicent (sp?) they wont give it the proper man power and budgets they require, they wont need to because people like you just accept it!

It also leaves the market wide open to competition!... As this entire thread is a testament to!

The OP is one of those rare players who has made the effort to explain why he will be giving his money to another company... (all be it for the time being) for every 1 person like this there are 100 who are the opposite and wont even bother!

[Fyrestrom]

Originally Posted by RazVan07

I like the game alot but my guild has already left the game after 2 weeks because of the bugs, the main one is the server boundry pauses which disbands the group and sometimes leaves people invisible or worse kicked to desktop. (thought this was meant to be fixed?)

I think some will just get their free month and leave because of the bugs. I know Sigil are doing their best and i appreciate it but its just not playable for me at least.

So sadly I'm already leaving the game. I hope in 6 months its all rosey and better so until that time i leave you all.


Raz

Can I have your stuff?

[Taronn Anvilmarr]

EVERY time i have moved and re-ordered my internet connection, each company i deal with has to make several trips out to my abode to fix whatever it was they did wrong so that my connection would actually work...

...every single time !!!!

this is a great game and we cannot expect to have a perfect product right at the exact moment of release. Every other product on the market has been poked, prodded, and mass-market focus group surveys compiled on them also. Each of them had problems and needed some more fixing before they were the perfect machines we have today.

...look at the history of the automobile....(not the same Ford today is it??)

on the other hand if you dont like it - take a break for six months - you may not like it after that too

...can't we all just get along??

lol

[Merell]

Well its ovious that some here have never written code and don't know that when you write something that works now that does not mean that it will work later. Many times when writing code a line that worked 100s of lines back can be messed up and stop working with something that has nothing to do with the original code line.

As for comparing cell phones I have to ask how many droped calls do you get? How many times does the other guys cell end up not working correctly, how many times do you loose signal going through a tunnel etc..? Are you the only one in the world that has a cell phone that works 100% of the time, I doubt it. Everything has problems even your 1920's ventege car that everyone with half a knowlage about macanics can fix. I don't care how new or old something is you will have problems with it.

Heck I still play EQ1 and it still has 100s if not 1000s of bugs in it, that is an 8 year old game now. I personly dont know any game out on the market that is bug free. And some of thoes games don't even have anyone supporting them to fix the bugs, unlike Vangaurd who I have seen try to put much effort into fixing the existing bugs. You cant expect everything to be fixed over night. And going back to my first statemets you will see new bugs on things that have worked for weeks or even months go wrong and become buggy. That is the nature of video games and if you have support, which Vanguard does, you will see constant bugs crop up. You will also see bugs constantly be fixed.

The people that quit over bugs will never be happy in any game they play because bugs are just a norm. They will happen, it is how you deal with it or help the developers deal with it that counts. Quiting wont fix it only working with them will do so.

[Rithrin]

Maybe I'm not fully understanding this, but why should people cut Vanguard any extra slack compared to any other game? EQ2's launch didn't have nearly as many bugs (Mainly quest issues), DAoC certainly wasn't that buggy (Much tweaking was needed on classes, though), and WoW's only main launch problem was server stability. Vanguard seems to have all of those combined and more. My question is just this - why should Vanguard be pardoned where others were not?

The people that quit over bugs will never be happy in any game they play because bugs are just a norm.

As for people quitting over the bugs, its a legitimate reason. People don't want to pay to play a game where they log on only to find out their last day's worth of XP is missing, or fight to the bottom of a dungeon only to find out the quest that sent them there isn't working, or have an extra hour added onto their group time because everyone is crashing every 5 minutes, or... you get my point. Yes bugs certainly are the norm, but not in such huge quantity and not with such huge consequences.

Now I'm not quitting, don't take it that way. I'm just trying to make people understand that bugs most definately are a real reason to stop playing, no one *has to deal* with bugs to play an MMO like some people are making it sound like.