Tanks might not dual wield

[Lightning]

http://www.vanguardsaga.com/forums/s...687#post623687

Originally Posted by Aradune Mithara

Nothing is set in stone yet, but we're leaning towards dual wielding falling under the expertise of the light fighter, and 2h the heavy fighter, as well as using 1h plus shield.

Not sure whether or not to be disappointed - I've never been a huge fan of sword and board, but if I have to to get that extra X AC out of it, then sword and board I shall We'll have 2 handers too, and I hope polearms so it won't be all bad.

Any thoughts?

[Fadeyn]

well, as knights don't traditionally dual wield, save for samurai (who were knights in their own right), it doesn't bother me. I can see how a warrior would be disappointed. I've always thought its kind of funny to have a guy in full platemail weilding 2 weapons. Its hard enough to move in those things as is, but to have 2 weapons thats crazy talk.

[Lightning]

Originally Posted by Fadeyn

well, as knights don't traditionally dual wield, save for samurai (who were knights in their own right), it doesn't bother me. I can see how a warrior would be disappointed. I've always thought its kind of funny to have a guy in full platemail weilding 2 weapons. Its hard enough to move in those things as is, but to have 2 weapons thats crazy talk.

Actually, you'd be surprised how EASY it is to move in platemail - the common image of "the knight lumbering about, falling off his horse and unable to get up" is a myth. I have seen men in full plate doing rolls. The weight is distributed around the body. I myself have fought in 80lbs of Samurai armour without too much trouble, you just have to strike down not out to avoid overbalancing.

Also, it's not uncommon to use a sword in your main hand and a parrying dagger in your off hand.

[Fisty]

I have a full suit of armor in real life... everything but the breastplate is plate, the BP is platemail.. or at least that's the closest I could call it. I suck at heavy fightng in general, but duel weilding in full plate is not any more difficult than sword and board. Have a friend down in memphis with a full suit of steel plate that he made himself and he fights quite well in it. (in the summer, in 100F, outside... I think he's nuts) Anyway.. he's pushing 60 years old too and still does it every sunday.

So... sorry, Fadeyn.. another person with person experience piping up to tell you you're wrong.

[Lightning]

Originally Posted by Fisty

duel weilding in full plate is not any more difficult than sword and board.

It's a good point - shields are heavy and it requires more skill than you would expect to use them in battle. Can't say I have used one myself, but I have LARP friends who do and it's not as straightforward as it seems

Still, I am partial to Two Handers, and if we get to wield Naginata I will be a contented kitty

[Eclipse]

Doesn't bother me one bit...
A tank dual-wielding just sounds dumb.
Sorry to those who think it's more fun, I sincerely hope you absolutely NEED to use a shield in any major tanking role. Period.

Dual-wielding should be a light fighter's deal, and I'm glad it's going in that direction.

One replacement for a shield could be a large battle bracer, but it's basically a shield anyway. A parrying dagger will do absolutely zero against a warhammer.

But as for viability in using 2 weapons in full plate, yah sorry Fadeyn, shields weigh about double what a sword does...so it's not going to be any more difficult for him to put down the hunk of steel and picking up another sword.

But when it comes right down to it, until a tank proves to me personally that he can tank better with a 2H weapon, he will be using a shield in my groups. That obviously goes for me too, even though I would love to use a staff, I will not sacrifice tanking ability to be cool.

-Eclipse

[Glauroth]

As a tank, I'd prefer the shield, just because of the huge amount of added AC

The sword and dirk style might work for individual mobs, but Vanguard is supposedly going to have no way to single-pull. I think, when the going gets tough, a tower shield will prove far more useful than a little dagger.

Leave dual-wielding for rangers, bards, monks, and rogues...

[Lightning]

Originally Posted by Lightning

if I have to to get that extra X AC out of it, then sword and board I shall

[Eclipse]

Personally, I would like to see monks fight with fists and feet. Give them fist weapons and kicks. (Asheron's Call Unarmed 4TW!)

-Eclipse

[TheDrunkenDwarf]

I actually like the idea of light fighters dual wielding, and heavy fighters using 2 handed weapons or "sword and board."

Makes sense to me. Guess we'll have to see how it all works out after they balance things in beta and make a final decision.