One ability I am not happy with.

[ellestil]

I'm at work,so forgive my lack of info, but I'm sure some of you have seen one of our newer abilities that actually directly buffs classes like rangers, Dk's, and others so that they can reach a higher tier of an ability faster. For DK's its their DC.

No offense meant to my DK brethren, its nothing against you guys, its just the whole idea of making me into a buff bot for another tank class goes completely against the grain.

Unless warr's and dk's are given an ability that specifically raises a Paladin tanking mechanic, like halves his virtue cost, or lengthens the duration of his virtue abilities, I don't see the fairness in this.

It would be like a shaman having an ability that immediately grants a cleric double healing for 3 minutes. The cleric becomes the MH, the shaman gets relegated to cleric buffer and OH. That wouldn't fly for them, so why did they add that kind of scenario to paladins who already are fighting against years of prejudice of being buff bot tanks.

Again, no venom towards DK's, I just seriously question the thinking behind this kind of ability.

[Razlath]

The thing about Dreadful Countenance is that it hurts the mob whether the MT is a DK or not. The debuff that is put on the mob is still just as effective whether the DK is MT or not. I don't see this ability making the DKs a peferable MT over Paladins as the Pally / DK combination of abilities would still be just as effective no matter who stands as MT.

Also, in the end you are going to reach DC5 in a raid/very tough encounter anyway.. and if I am understanding the ability correctly (from what you said in your OP), it is just getting you there faster. If DC were all that mattered there are other ways for the DK to build it very quickly against an opponent. While it is always possible to do it faster, I don't see it being sped up that much. So the end change is negligible.

I don't see the Pallys buffing DC as relegating them to the backburner as being at max DC does not really make the DK the "only" tank choice on the board. DC is both offensive and defensive, and getting it higher faster doesn't lock you into offensive or defensive play.

I would however raise a RP objection to this. Why in the world would the Paragon of Virtue (a Paladin) be assisting the manipulation / creation of unspeaking dread in their opponents? That is what doesn't make any sense to me. ;}

[Vladamier]

I agree with Raz, by assisting a DK max his DC your benefiting the entire group. It doesn't mean your regulated to assisting MT.

[Judinous]

It isn't equatable to a shaman buffing a clerics healing, it's like a shaman being able to increase the strength of a cleric's buffs--you get the benefit right back yourself, and it adds class synergy. This is not a bad thing.

[ellestil]

I've since calmed on my view of this, seeing as how having DC5 on a mob, no matter who tanks it, is beneficial. Call it a knee jerk reaction at first :P

[Warakus]

Paladins can
Single pull.. DKs cannot...
Heal others that never gets resisted mitigated ect.. DKs do not.
Snare..Just like DKs
Nuke ...Harder then DKs nuke on a 15 minute timer
Rez... DKs cannot.
DENY LIFE... which is absoilutely complete GARBAGE that Paladins get this because it should be a DK ability.
Buffs.. we do not
Group combat enchancements... single target for DKs only if it even really works for others.

I will trade you my crappy DC for all that stuff. Im pretty frustrated with the "Vision" right now because having all the tools for utility on one class is complete BS. Give Paladins better heals.. hell give them complete heal before Deny life... Its a slap in the face that they gave Paladins Deny life an unholy unheal... Then to see someone complain about my crap ability like were sitting here with one crumb and the fat kid with the cookie jar wants my crumb too.... Well take it.. You have everything else why not have this too... I will just sit here and starve.

[ellestil]

Frustrated? If you read my post above yours, you'll see I admitted my error. No need to take offense. DK's haven't had their turn yet either, so your new toys should be coming along.

[Warakus]

yes I was a little frustrated Im just going to try and campaign and get this switched to DKs. No matter how you spin it Deny Life isnt a Paladin holy warrios type of thing.
Sorry if I came out harsh, it isnt personal I am a little frustrated about how they are handling classes.

[Xaylin]

Paladins only have one thing I care about -- Lull.