Help me help you!!

[Jooma]

Hi guys, we talk about a lot of issues here and I know Xaices does his best to get us in the spot light with Avair. But it's been months now and we still don't scale well as a tank past mid 30's.

In a post on the official boards asking for official class boards, Brenlo had this to say:

Originally Posted by Brenlo

I may consider the server forums. But I am not going to budge on the class forums. =)

If you feel your class is broken (legitimately broken not I think we are broken unless we Shaman have feign death) that can be discussed on the General forum and I guarantee you it will get more visibility than if it were on a class specific forum here. If you do want to discuss theoretical issues or ideas, or what skill set is best, etc. . . that is best done on one of the great class sites out there.

So essentially he's saying (as I perceive it) that the General Forums are where to post your legitimate class concerns if you want them to get noticed.

So what I did is opened up a spread sheet and went through all the recent posts on this board and some others for the main general concerns and issues of DK's and added a poll vote of +1 beside each topic for each time a person would complain about it. (it took hours).

Then I took the top 10 most complained about issues and made a post over on the official boards.

I'm asking for everyones help to discuss and bump the thread over there so we can hopefully help Xaices and get some attention.

Now you like me may not agree with everything in the top 10 list, but hey, looks like you're out numbered on that one, as was I on a couple topics.

Anyway please help me help you by posting in this thread.


http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/po...?topic_id=9810

[Xaices]

Avair is getting settled back in after the transition, well transition is still going on I suppose but he has been more available. I was able to talk at length with him last night on some issues. How ever it was more of a ya jot that down we will discuss it in detail when we meet for the real deal. That real deal meet is next week.

So guees what that means. Aye its crunch time for me again.

Currently working on an entire spread sheet of each ability to include the ones that you have not seen yet, sorry cant share those with you.

bugs fixes changes and mabey just maybe some additions.

Avair is currently reviewing his schedual next week. I asked for a lengthy period of time to talk at length and in detail. So he has to find time to do so, but he said it would be next week.

When I finish my .xls I will host it and link it and start a thread where people can reply to.

It will probably hit the net Friday Night, so that many people can give input over the weekend into monday. As I am looking into probably a mid week meeting.

Please do not expect changes to happen immediately following the meet. Some of these issues are coding problems which will require a longer period of time.

If I am allowed I will post a recap of the meeting.

So how can all of you help out.

Tangible substantiating posts. Some people just post, things like the dont like this dont like that, its broke, etc.

When posts should be as inclusive as possible. Such as including numbers, fully descriptive posts that demonstrait just how something does not work when where how often plausible cuases etc.

So over the next few days leading into next week, start gathering data and detailed information, jot it down, and on Friday get ready to review the spread sheet and post your findings and recomendations.

[Lusain]

I look forward to the day after tomorrow.

Let me voice my support (although I am repeating myself a bit) for a new regular (not a finisher) attack that deals damage based on DC, or crits more based on DC, that we could use an alternative to Vexing once we get our DC up (or blow Terror Incarnate). Next to a persistent DC (like bard dances), this seems to me to be next most important thing to improving the DK class.

Thanks for being so awesome, Xaices.

[-Nite-]

Wait... Did I see new abilities?! I love you Xacies!

[DrK]

Thanks for all the hard work Xaices.

Let me know if there is anything I can do to help.

[Jooma]

This is good news. Does anyone know o f a good working parser for the game that could be used to help with testing?

[Keecho]

My 2 biggest issues are
1)with the removal of our invise in combat we lose the only means to get out of a bad pull. We have ask even beg for FD but still not even menchen if we might possability sometime in the future get this ability.

2) DC drops off to Zero once the mob dead. My understanding orignally was our DC was to effect all the mob in the area. So that would lead you to think that once you get DC up on the 1 mob your fighting his buddie that is right next to him would also have the same DC level. Currently it don't seem to be working that way.

Would it be possable to give us just a normal Invise that last longer then 1 min. I like the extra speed but with out the ability to get away form a bad pull the extra speed is only useful for a travel buff and then 1 min seems kind of silly.

Just my 2 cp worth

:mrgreen:

[Jooma]

Ya if they don't change how DC works, then what's the point of calling it an Aura?

[velzevul]

Originally Posted by Keecho

My 2 biggest issues are
1)with the removal of our invise in combat we lose the only means to get out of a bad pull. We have ask even beg for FD but still not even menchen if we might possability sometime in the future get this ability.

2) DC drops off to Zero once the mob dead. My understanding orignally was our DC was to effect all the mob in the area. So that would lead you to think that once you get DC up on the 1 mob your fighting his buddie that is right next to him would also have the same DC level. Currently it don't seem to be working that way.

Would it be possable to give us just a normal Invise that last longer then 1 min. I like the extra speed but with out the ability to get away form a bad pull the extra speed is only useful for a travel buff and then 1 min seems kind of silly.

Just my 2 cp worth

:mrgreen:

Actually, it does work that way, but it is really very flaky in a way. Try to run a few tests yourself, pull 2-3 mobs, and concentrate on fighting 1 mob exclusively, ignoring other mobs on the pull (good idea to have a 2nd tank in group). When you have raised DC on your mob to level 3-4, quickly click on other mobs that you have pulled - they sometimes have a debuffing icon of DC of 1 level lower than your active mob, sometimes they do not.

I am not sure how they base the judgement whether to spread DC application among entire pull, or put it solely on the mob you are fighting. I guess every mob needs to be in a "active aggro" mode towards you. I am not even sure what it means, I just dubbed it that way for myself. Usually if sm1 pulls, and I snatch 1 mob out of the crowd, DC doesn't spread. But if I pull, concentrate on 1 mob, and my friends grabs the rest, that's when DC applies to every1 mob on the pull. This is tricky as $hit, and in addition, soon as your high DC mob dies, DC gets wiped from every mob nearby that got it, which again totally sux, and just forced DRK into offtanking role to raise DC on 1 mob and keep it alive till the very end of a brawl encounter.

Also if you got 1 mob at DC5, and you take another mob at DC4 (that dc is transient from DC5 mob), and start hitting the DC4 mob, CONGRATS! you restarted that mob's DC from 1 and up. Which is just FFS bs.

[velzevul]

Originally Posted by Jooma

Hi guys, we talk about a lot of issues here and I know Xaices does his best to get us in the spot light with Avair. But it's been months now and we still don't scale well as a tank past mid 30's.

In a post on the official boards asking for official class boards, Brenlo had this to say:

So essentially he's saying (as I perceive it) that the General Forums are where to post your legitimate class concerns if you want them to get noticed.

So what I did is opened up a spread sheet and went through all the recent posts on this board and some others for the main general concerns and issues of DK's and added a poll vote of +1 beside each topic for each time a person would complain about it. (it took hours).

Then I took the top 10 most complained about issues and made a post over on the official boards.

I'm asking for everyones help to discuss and bump the thread over there so we can hopefully help Xaices and get some attention.

Now you like me may not agree with everything in the top 10 list, but hey, looks like you're out numbered on that one, as was I on a couple topics.

Anyway please help me help you by posting in this thread.


http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/po...?topic_id=9810

too bad most replies Jooma gets is completely retarded stuff, random requests and baseless opinions. Guess we are playing good cop bad cop over there, me being the rude evil opinionated a$$hat, while Jooma is the kind person who is trying to keep it on target. Is that a role or really my personality, we will never know...