Now whats bugg'n'ya

[Laneil]

I also wanted to toss out the fact that Shield of Fear I is not working properly. Once you execute the chain the buff spams you with messages that you are not high enough level for the effect and that you must be at least level 36.

[Meldryn]

I overlooked a few things in my original post, so consider this an addendum.

6. DC progresses much too slowly. Bards and Rangers hit the maximum of their combat forms long before we ever hit DC 5. To add insult to injury, the Paladin ability that puts every group member at the highest level of their various forms is on a lower cooldown than our self only ability that puts us at DC 5. Please ask Avair the reasoning behind this. I have a feeling the justification would be the highest form of comedy.

7. Agro reduction is pitiful in comparison to Warriors and Paladins. Succor completely removes the target from combat. It is the ultimate de-agro. Withdraw is an 80% hate reduction. It is very close to being on par with Succor. DK's get..... nothing. Not a single ability that even remotely helps. Give us the ability to cause a targeted group member to feign death, wiping their agro. This would give us a much-needed tool that the other tanks already have that fits our class. Do not tell me it is overpowered if two out of the three tank classes already have it.

8. Complete inability to force a crit. Paladins have 16 seconds of guaranteed crits with their virtue ability. Warriors can force a crit, on top of having a ridiculous crit chance on various abilities. Parsing has shown roughly a 30% crit chance on Kick. A warrior in my guild was talking about his dps, and mentioned that he rarely used his ability that forces a crit simply because Kick has such a high crit chance. DK's have neither of these tools. This is unacceptable. This is another tool we need to be effective.

[Venge]

Originally Posted by Meldryn

I overlooked a few things in my original post, so consider this an addendum.

6. DC progresses much too slowly. Bards and Rangers hit the maximum of their combat forms long before we ever hit DC 5. To add insult to injury, the Paladin ability that puts every group member at the highest level of their various forms is on a lower cooldown than our self only ability that puts us at DC 5. Please ask Avair the reasoning behind this. I have a feeling the justification would be the highest form of comedy.

7. Agro reduction is pitiful in comparison to Warriors and Paladins. Succor completely removes the target from combat. It is the ultimate de-agro. Withdraw is an 80% hate reduction. It is very close to being on par with Succor. DK's get..... nothing. Not a single ability that even remotely helps. Give us the ability to cause a targeted group member to feign death, wiping their agro. This would give us a much-needed tool that the other tanks already have that fits our class. Do not tell me it is overpowered if two out of the three tank classes already have it.

8. Complete inability to force a crit. Paladins have 16 seconds of guaranteed crits with their virtue ability. Warriors can force a crit, on top of having a ridiculous crit chance on various abilities. Parsing has shown roughly a 30% crit chance on Kick. A warrior in my guild was talking about his dps, and mentioned that he rarely used his ability that forces a crit simply because Kick has such a high crit chance. DK's have neither of these tools. This is unacceptable. This is another tool we need to be effective.

Withdraw IV is a 95% hate reduction...highest in the game. 30s cooldown.
Shield Bash and Kick are our high crit abilities. Just though I point it out.

[velzevul]

Originally Posted by Venge

Withdraw IV is a 95% hate reduction...highest in the game. 30s cooldown.
Shield Bash and Kick are our high crit abilities. Just though I point it out.

thank you Venge.

And if I am not mistaken warriors are also working Leap Attack back in in some form or another - good for them.

I'd like devs to take a look at DRK as global as they did at warriors.

[DrK]

I updated my original post as with more testing and experience I've refined my views a bit on some subjects.

[imported_Judas]

Shadow step Fails on the first attempt about 90% of the time I have to cast it twice to make it work.

This may not be DK specific, but the Positioning of mobs is freakin horrible I constantly get the message " cant see mob when there standing right in front of me." When I get multiple adds and SOD is still greyed out this could possible be the most aggrevating thing I have ever experienced in an MMO. FIX MOB POSITIONING PLEASE.

DK debuffs are ok but Sometimes we have to work so hard on holding agro its hard to get these spells off in the beginning of a fight when they are best utilized. If I stagger them through my first few casts and taunting attacks it works ok but if Im playing with classes that have REAL DPS I dont even bother with them until I have solid agro so what are they really worth ? I would rather they dump the debuffs for our class and give us a more class defining ability thats actully worth a crap or an AE taunt (not a rescue that does not work at all) Maybe a few self buffs that are actual buffs like for AC and INT so we dont have to spend points in INT that I find a total waste of points spent but I put some in there so my INT based taunts are at least semi effective.

DC -- this ability seems geared toward 5 and six dot mobs since everything else gets mowed down before I can even get to DC 3 or 4.

[Jooma]

Top 5 Class Fundamentals that bother me.

1: Symbols are too weak and do not scale well at all. I'd suggest either a total revamp or base the damage points off percentages.

2: Our debuffs are far too weak. We need more and need them more powerful to help define our class.

3: Shadowy Veil is close to useless now that it can no longer be castable in combat and no longer gives us invis to most mob types. Used to be a good micky mouse espace tool and now we're left with nothing.

4: Dreadful Countenance needs to be revamped. I suggest having DC eminate from the DK and raise just on the DK, not the mob. All mobs within X radius are then affected and would probably fix all the bugs/problems we have with it. Also it should drop slowly out of combat not just when we kill our target.

5: Our Cooldowns are much longer than needed, to the point of iritation. If I were designing the game I"d base cooldowns off of how often I don't want the ability to be spammed. To ensure that players don't spam I'd set cool downs probably at a total max of 30 minutes. And that's the extreme. Some of our cooldowns are rediculous and don't appear to have been compared well with the other tanks.



Top 5 Bugs that drive me insane.

1: Our new Retaliate isn't tied to the hot key for Counter Attacks.

2: Dark Ward is not working as intended according to mine and others testing.

3: DC still has many bugs especially on the UI side often showing multiple DC debuff icons.

4: Any spell in the series greater than Dreadful Visage does the same effect but costs more energy.

5: Symbols some times take many clicks before they "stick".

[Adarr]

SLAY = SUCKS

Useless useless spell, if it wasn't macroed into my attack i wouldn't even use it at all.

most of our skills are useless Crap, I use main attacks, Drains and selfBuff.(selfbuff is all its good for)

All the other fluff is on my hot bars somewhere but i don't use it.

Invis not able to use in combat, WTF???? WHY???? I only used it for the speed buff but still WHY??

[Lusain]

My torture upgrade at level 42 that I trained last night was a whopping 20% energy increase (200 up to 240) and it does 10-20 extra damage per tick. I can't even tell that I upgraded it, except that it digs deeper into my mana bar. Why exactly can't torture scale? It's a spell, it doesn't get better because of weapon damage. We don't get +spell focus on our plate very often. This skill needs to be improved at levels 30+.

The new version of Shadowy Veil makes it obvious that the skill needs an upgrade. Perhaps it should be a "stealth" and not an "invis" or something so that's actually good. The only time the damn skill was ever *awesome* was when doing CRs, and certainly you aren't trying to make CRs super difficult? All you have to do to discourage mobs from seeing invis is to throw the odd see-invis mob into a dungeon. See: mosquitos in VT, or Dancing Flames in Vi'Rak for examples on how to build a dungeon so that invis isn't the be-all end-all. But at least we could occasionally retrieve a corpse in some dungeons (TK for instance). Now? It's useless for anything other than out of combat travel. I know that wasn't the intention of the skill, because it has an 80 second cooldown and an *invis component*.

[Tborg]

Everything have been said, Drk have resume it pretty much and alot of peoples added for what missing.

Maybe change our debuff as a proc, so we don't have to spam it every fight. Put the proc % high so its not becoming painfull, it will give us some slack to be able to keep aggro and a chance to use our mana for more expensive spell.

please fix DC!