New Warrior Changes, Xaices, Please Clarify - Page 5

velzevul · 04-23-2007, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Venge

Actually, I've tested every last one of the warrior changes. I know what's right and what's not. It'll get fixed before live. Things of this magnitude don't go without some form of testing.

Apparently, and judging from drk patch couple weeks ago, our patches don't get tested for shit

Meldryn · 04-24-2007, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Xaices

When It comes to tanking there are only two important things. Agro Control and Mitigating dmg, all that other bullshit of things like out of combat Croud Control Shadow Step , shadowy veil what ever, all it is, is bling and sex apeal nothing more, it wont make you tank any better.

Did I ask how this effects the balancing of the tank classes, Yes I did. Have a I gotten a reply yet, no I have not.

It's nice having a class lead that understands his class and archetype. Keep up the good work, Xeices.

Warakus · 04-24-2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Riggsen

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Originally Posted by Xaices

what I know comming out of beta and into live of the tank classes and the vision of what was to be accomplished is that

All tanks would mitigate the same amount of dmg. Some may do it a slight bit different but the result would be the same.

So with increasing dmg on Warriors and Warriors having a few extra hate abilities than that of the Paly or DK Sigil is scewing the all tanks tank bit, as Warriors will rise to the top of agro management.

Yes, Warriors should have decent aggro generation in Defensive Stance post patch. But will it be better or worse than a Paladin or DK? How the hell would anyone know until it's gone live and been tested en masse rather than by the dozen or so high level tanks on test?

Warrior defensive stance has been absolutely screwed for aggro generation since release. At least Paladins and DKs have been able to tank in their respective defensive stances, where high level Warriors have been resorting to tanking in Offensive (even with bugged mitigation).

These changes are supposed to bring us up to YOUR level of aggro generation, so maybe we'll actually be able to tank in the stance we were intended to tank in. Should Pallies and DKs be brought up to par if there's a discrepancy in aggro generation after this patch? Yes, they should. But you don't know there's a discrepancy yet.

Im beginning to think youll sing any song as long as you get your love. We ALL had to tank in offensive. Was that a news flash for you?
I played a warrior of the same name in eq1... I also wanted to try something new... the DK and after having read that we will all be able to tank and hold aggro about the same I rolled a DK.

For tanking... this is not bringing you up to par... you allready were on par... actually better then us at mitigating dmg. I have to work to keep aggro on my DK in def stance now.. its possible but its alot of work and watching when to rescue or force tuant.... its work... but it can be done. Im sure the same can be said for warriors when it comes to aggro and tanking. (Please dont assume I dont ever group with high level wars)

This being said.. our revamp cannot possibly have been done... a few good things we had happen but were still lacking and now by even more.

imported_Judas · 04-25-2007, 05:43 PM

Get it through your heads folks any tank in this game including DK WAR PAL will be able to Raid tank . Its going to depend on how your geared and how well you play your class ITS NOT GOING TO BE DICTATED BY SIGIL its going to be dictated on how well you play the game. This is a pointless arguement. I chose a Lesser Giant DK and My racial ability to begin raids will be Huge in allowing a raid to get a fight settled down . Most raids are decided in the first 20 seconds of the fight and having 50% more hit points while the raid stabilizes is going to be huge. Its not rocket science just play your class well and you will be fine. Also how many times have we seen the solo arguement ?? Let it rest please. Im much prefer group exp burning down 4 dot yellow mobs than soloing 5 light blue 3 dots at a time. :shock:

Warhead · 04-25-2007, 07:57 PM

LGs look like Sh*t Its orc all the way baby. If one tank has the better INNATE MIT, dont you think guilds are going to know this and only allow the warrior to tank? This is the point he is trying to make. Gear can only get you so far, its the stances and buffs that will make or break.

imported_Judas · 04-26-2007, 09:53 AM

Warhead depending on how you make up your MT group I would think come raid time you can damn near max out any of the three tanks in the game. Im not sure how the raid formatt will work and if out of group buffs will be allowed but if they are allowed that will add to the MT stats even more so. There is so much more involved in tanking raids now unlike the old days of EQ when it was turn on attack go defensive, hit the taunt button and get the healer rotation going. Tanks don't only have to deal with melee attacks Im sure all raids will have a different twist.