DC seemingly does nothing

[Niteflyx]

I just hope our DC5 rocks.

[Matuse]

Matuse:

You can always mouse over the icon for Torture on the mob and see the damage done.

I didn't mean it was tricky to see the damage Torture was doing, I meant that the damage Torture does is a poor-at-best way to estimate how functional DC is being.

[BillyBadass]

I smash vexing strike , hit provoke when it pops, and I find I only maintain aggro 1 of 4 mobs in an average grp. I am using a fast 1hd and shield.

It just seems like we should be able to hold taunt..kinda sucks.

Forgot to add at lvl 13 against lvl 11-12 mobs

Gimps the class

[labrat]

Originally Posted by BillyBadass

I smash vexing strike , hit provoke when it pops, and I find I only maintain aggro 1 of 4 mobs in an average grp. I am using a fast 1hd and shield.

It just seems like we should be able to hold taunt..kinda sucks.

Forgot to add at lvl 13 against lvl 11-12 mobs

Gimps the class

I see the same results all the time and saw the same thing in beta. I am not sure what they dont understand but they gave us hate through dps and they seemingly have taken this dps away from us but didnt add a huge increase to hate from our current line up.

It really is an issue that needs looking at period. Have sent a bug in many times talking about just this issue with dk and it will always fall on deaf ears, I honestly think they really dont care or have not got a clue.

[VereAthor]

I duo'ed with a Warrior yesterday and found that in no situation I could hold aggro against him on even level (11-12). He even peeled aggro from me after waiting for me to fire everything aggro-generating on the mob.

[XeroKill]

The only reason we parsed so high on DPS was because during the last week of beta they retooled how abilities with +% weapon damage work. It made Malice a powerhouse of an ability with no re-cast on it. They tried to remedy it with a sledgehammer approach by giving Malice a 14 second timer (saying it was 6 seconds in the notes) and upping WOD to 15 mintues.

The agro is definitely screwed up, there is no question of it. I for one think it is mostly due to our severely reduced DPS and the fact that Torture ramps up hate for the same amount of hate that other tanks can generate instantly. Torture either needs to deliver its hate instantly or have each tick increased. That or a major increase to Provoke.

As for DC, it is a little gimped at DC1 and DC2 but starting at DC3 it starts to show its true colors. At 15 we get DC3 and it starts to add a -5% damage debuff to the mobs and a +5% damage buff to our group. That is very significant and it only gets better from there. DC is fine as it is, and as we increase in level, it increases exponentially. We get more and more abilities that increase our DC and even 1 ability that maxes it in a single stroke. It is on a 20min timer last I knew which makes it a boss/raid ability so we are at max efficiency at the start of the fight.

[BillyBadass]

Xerokill you sound like you are pretty knowledgable with the class.

I feel like they took my 2hd battleaxe and gave me a 2hd wooflebat.

I am concerned they don't fix the aggro generation for our class before it is widely known that we cannot hold aggro. That type of bad repuatation/image (once embeded) makes it very hard to get a grp. EQ1 Rangers were DT speedbumps for 2 years, Monks didn't get a mitigation mod for 6 expansions. Both of these 2 classes were bumped (even in thier own guilds) for spots in grps and raids for more utilitarian classes. I don't "jump the shark" when it comes to classes, but I have ridden out some bad storms in MMO's and I just hope this is not one of them.

As it stands, we don't have the DPS of a War and we hold taunt worst than any other plate class (yes even a cleric).

If we have a class advocate, I ask that he please speak up on this with the urgency that the utility and reputation of the class is at stake.

[Lightning]

Xaices is the DK Class Leader, there is a thread about DK bugs here: http://vanguardfighters.com/phpnuke/...iewtopic&t=869 and yes, hate / agro generation is on the list.

[BillyBadass]

Thank you for the comment Lightning and the link,

I recognize the fact that it is on a top priority scale.

Hate generation is a class identifier, not an issue below a bug. I just feel that the priotity perception of the "issue" should be in full force with its regurgative sprawl spread throughout the board. Our utility and immediate survival of a class are at stake. This does not allow me as one to sit by the wayside and cross my fingers.

[Lightning]

No, it's just a list