my Rant to Sigil or whoever cares.

[Aredhel]

Originally Posted by Caestus

exactly the game has problems.

but here is the thing. while i do NOT play WoW anymore because it was only mearly entertaining for few months.

Exactly! That's what many people have said.

here is the reason i compared it to WoW, because that IS the game that people who don't play MMO even know about. common now South Park meets WoW, remember that? they will never do a South Park meets Vanguard.

Thank the dear lord!!

did WoW copy UI from EQ sure, but WoW is the game that made it all happen dragging in all types of players. people who have never played MMO before.

I think EQ had the biggest lead there, followed by UO, bringing in many people who had never really considered MMOs, much less MMORPGs before - including me! My son got me started. My hubby was with UO and came to EQ. EQ was probably the largest benchmark that set the tone for many things, including VSoH, since this is the original group that has now done both!

did you actually read my post? did you actually read the reviews and what i had actually stated.

Yes, I think we did, and in other posts have even agreed that there are many things that need to be fixed. Brad & Co. know that, as well, and have addressed it on many different occasions and in many different arenas. It's just that we're really getting tired of people putting it down over and over when it's an acknowledged fact, and we are seeing fixes by the score! Did you look at the patch notes from the 27/28th?

Vanguard is a ok game with lots of potential they need to fix it and make it a game of the calibur of WoW, it has that potential...

see that's very true. but for the hardcore gamers it's not the leveling that should be the problem. it's the end game content that is what should matter for them. now obviously i can not speak about Vanguard End game content quite yet. i am only level 16.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but...wasn't it you that said WoW couldn't keep your attention for more than a few months??? And, if we're going to discuss "end game" content, let's wait about 5 years, ok? There is no "end game" here, and there probably isn't even one solidly on paper yet. Higher content? Yes, but "end game", I think not. There is nothing in the world wrong with releasing a game with a cap of 50!

This game is made for slow and easy play. Sigil has repeatedly stated that it's probably not the game for those wanting to rush thru it and get to the "end." As it is, I'm leveling much faster than I want to. In EQ, it took me 3 months to get to lvl 10, and I was (and still am) just fine with that. I got to really know my character and the abilities, and also the game and areas.

and what do you think about my Macro Pallet idea for the game?

I think that it's the constructive things like that which we all need to concentrate more on and less of the negative.

There are a lot of people who wanted badly to see Sigil fall flat on their faces with Vanguard, and you can actually see that in the bashings that have taken place more and more over the past year. But, ya know what? I honestly was very pleasantly surprised at release of the game when the transitions to full launch went as smoothly as they did and as many issues were fixed at launch as there were!

I certainly don't mean to be harsh, but it's late. I have a sick kid and I need to be asleep for work in the morning, and this was just one more "smack'm down" thread that I really didn't want to see. Thanks to those who did come to Sigil's defense, and I hope that they can continue pulling the fabric of Telon together so more will be able to hear positive comments coming from people, and good, constructive critiques.

You know what Thumper's mom always said....

oh, and no, Shinto. You aren't a fluke. I haven't had hardly any issues with it, either. Lag, yes, but no real major issues with crashing out, having to reboot and horrific bugs that keep you from playing!

[Cursedy]

Originally Posted by Caestus

see that's very true. but for the hardcore gamers it's not the leveling that should be the problem. it's the end game content that is what should matter for them. now obviously i can not speak about Vanguard End game content quite yet. i am only level 16.

you speak of the average gamer taking a while to level up. it should take a while yes, but some of us wanna get to the end game content and not spend so much time on monotonous grinding. i like the fact that exp parties are the way to go, get's you involved with others. just that it's hard to find parties. atleast for me anyways.

Why is end game content the most important? I levelled a character to 70 in EQ2 in two months to experience the end game content and, when we weren't raiding, I was on a lower level character experiencing what I had missed in my mad dash up the level ladder.

If you don't want to level slowly then, and no offence meant by this, then you shouldn't be playing VG. If WoW didn't take your fancy then try EQ2, that seems to be the middle road.

As for hardcore gamers, Vanguard strikes me as a pretty hardcore game . . .

[Ysharros]

It's fallacious to believe that just because WoW is heavily end-game biased, every other game should be too.

Vanguard is not about "what happens when you hit 50." It's about getting there and having fun along the way. The first time a Sigil spokesperson says "Vanguard begins at 50" I'm cancelling my subscription.

Vanguard was not intended to be like WoW, nor does it have to be to be successful. Again, the day I feel it's become more like WoW than Vanguard, I'm outta here.

You have a right to be unhappy with the game as it is. But stating opinions as facts, even with others' opinions in support, isn't really valid. You don't like it - fair enough. I do. I'm glad they released when they did, I'm glad to give them my subscription money after all the time they've spent slaving away, and I'll play through the bugs because, after all, I was perfectly aware it was just barely adequate for release. In *my* opinion, fact or not, Vanguard is a lot more fun at launch than many other games I've played, polish or no polish.

[Calren]

What a boring whiney load of crap.

I keep seeing all these posts about crashes, about not finding groups, about roll-backs and all sorts of junk. You know what? Stop trying to run the game on highest settings with your adware ridden 486, tweak your system, keep it clean and happy and you won't crash nearly as much. I've had about 3 CTDs since the patch before last (the one which fixed them) went live.

Can't find a group? Join a guild, get involved, stop jumping in to crappy PUGs with all the other clueless idiots.

With regards to rollbacks, I dunno. Re-log? I've never lost exp due to any bugs, I've lost stones which have re-appeared in the summon list after a re-log.

Don't like the UI? Get a new one. Yes it looks like WoW's default layout, and yes, it's pretty ugly. But you can change it. WoW' default UI, EQ2's default UI, they both suck too in my opinion but it doesn't stop me playing.

The leveling thing, anyone that focuses too much on how long it's taking them to level is missing the point, turn your experience bar off and start taking some interest in the game instead of just the numbers associated with your character. If you can't do that then go and play something else, this game is about the journey as much as it is about end-game, infact I'd say at this point it's more about the journey. Enjoy it, what's the rush to get to 50, so you can push that extra +3 on a stat with your uber phat lewt? Stop thinking about every MMO in terms of how bad the "grind" is and appreciate the game itself.

Yes, combat is pretty much the same as every other MMO, maybe you should make the most of it and take a little more interest in weaknesses, chain attacks and your reactions. I dunno, I enjoy it. This is how most MMOs will continue to work until the entire customer base has good enough connections to have realtime hit detection for games of this scale. You'll be waiting a while.

Quests are boring? Do you read them? Do you take an interest in the story behind each quest, the lore in that area? Probably not. Granted sometimes it's nothing special, but more than often the quest progession is quite interesting, if you let it interest you that is.

Reviews? Haha. People really aren't allowed to make up their own opinions in our societies anymore are they? That's like me saying "Hey guys, Justin Timberlake's new album is really, really good, all these reviews said so!!!".

[Bludtung]

besides the game really starts at 50!

/e ducks

[Aredhel]

Calren hit it on the head (and has my permission to pulverize Bludtung).

This one line...

Stop thinking about every MMO in terms of how bad the "grind" is and appreciate the game itself.

...has been my battle cry for 7 years, at the least.

Thanks, everyone, for your great comments. Just remember the strike zone and no hitting below the belt! I'm headed to work, but I'm sure Mage or CK will be watching this continue. Let's not let it turn into another /rant thread, tho, ok? Too many of those elsewhere. I've let this one go because I believe in the integrity of Spheres' readers.

See you all soon, and have fun!

[Nil]

Originally Posted by Caestus

i personally have an issue with my left hand due to an injury where my hand goes numb lol.... now this would be a personal request to me but in reality others besides myself would enjoy a fully supported Gamepad, where a push of a button on the game pad could bring up a Macro Pallet and use the directional pad or joystick to chose what particular key. you can use the R1 R2 L1 L2 to bring up macro pallets.

I don't want to get into the majority of your post, as it mostly smells of flame bait, but here, I will suggest that you get in touch with one of our fellow denizens, Greymain. He has a similar hand issue and has worked some things out. He may be able to offer suggestions on how you can overcome this in Vanguard (that, and he's a great guy - everyone should know him).

[TheKnight]

The topic starter reminds me of a hard-core WoW player I used to work with last year at the local hospital. While describing VG to him, he considered it the stupidest thing inthe world not to have instances, or a game that starts at max level, or end-game rushes or anything of that sort. Really didn't like him much...


I think Caestus is about 13-15 years old, so the game is a bit above him. My suggestion to him would be to go play EQ2, as it seems to be the middle ground in all things. Failing that I guess he could open a power-leveling service for WoW, as by reading his posts he has ALOT of free time on his hands.

[Caestus]

Originally Posted by TheKnight

The topic starter reminds me of a hard-core WoW player I used to work with last year at the local hospital. While describing VG to him, he considered it the stupidest thing inthe world not to have instances, or a game that starts at max level, or end-game rushes or anything of that sort. Really didn't like him much...


I think Caestus is about 13-15 years old, so the game is a bit above him. My suggestion to him would be to go play EQ2, as it seems to be the middle ground in all things. Failing that I guess he could open a power-leveling service for WoW, as by reading his posts he has ALOT of free time on his hands.

i respect all others opinions.


but TheKnight you are just an ignorant MORON 13-15 are you kidding me? go play FFXI son seriously go level to 75 on that game and then come back and comment on my age and talking about difficulty on games. WoW lost my interest due to the constant arguing over petty things.

take a look at these if you will:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkl1PE6rbGs (Newest of them all)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx9WGTP-2Z8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xLtE_eXu28 (oldest of them all before i really started making videos this was my first)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK2vAi25CQo

this is not even the True end game on FFXI, Leveling is fun it is, i enjoy grinding a lot that and end game is what i do. but the way it is set up in Vanguard is beyond pathetic spice it up some i'm not even a game developer and i could think of a few varriations to leveling.

now while Instances are not needed, i could care less for them, but they do have their usses. instead of quests, have missions that take a group of people go do that mission in an Instance type enviroment, and upon completion it gives EXP. the constant killing mobs, doing quests that all feel the same just get's boring over time.

i am a wicked hardcore gamer. always have been always will be i am just tossing out ideas that some people seem to call me childish for. i don't get it i thought adults could handle debates TheKnight obviously you can't.

What a boring whiney load of crap.

I keep seeing all these posts about crashes, about not finding groups, about roll-backs and all sorts of junk. You know what? Stop trying to run the game on highest settings with your adware ridden 486, tweak your system, keep it clean and happy and you won't crash nearly as much. I've had about 3 CTDs since the patch before last (the one which fixed them) went live.

Can't find a group? Join a guild, get involved, stop jumping in to crappy PUGs with all the other clueless idiots.

With regards to rollbacks, I dunno. Re-log? I've never lost exp due to any bugs, I've lost stones which have re-appeared in the summon list after a re-log.

Don't like the UI? Get a new one. Yes it looks like WoW's default layout, and yes, it's pretty ugly. But you can change it. WoW' default UI, EQ2's default UI, they both suck too in my opinion but it doesn't stop me playing.

The leveling thing, anyone that focuses too much on how long it's taking them to level is missing the point, turn your experience bar off and start taking some interest in the game instead of just the numbers associated with your character. If you can't do that then go and play something else, this game is about the journey as much as it is about end-game, infact I'd say at this point it's more about the journey. Enjoy it, what's the rush to get to 50, so you can push that extra +3 on a stat with your uber phat lewt? Stop thinking about every MMO in terms of how bad the "grind" is and appreciate the game itself.

Yes, combat is pretty much the same as every other MMO, maybe you should make the most of it and take a little more interest in weaknesses, chain attacks and your reactions. I dunno, I enjoy it. This is how most MMOs will continue to work until the entire customer base has good enough connections to have realtime hit detection for games of this scale. You'll be waiting a while.

Quests are boring? Do you read them? Do you take an interest in the story behind each quest, the lore in that area? Probably not. Granted sometimes it's nothing special, but more than often the quest progession is quite interesting, if you let it interest you that is.

Reviews? Haha. People really aren't allowed to make up their own opinions in our societies anymore are they? That's like me saying "Hey guys, Justin Timberlake's new album is really, really good, all these reviews said so!!!".

lol while my Ram is sub par for this game my video card and CPU are well above standards for this glitchy game. and did you know Vanguard selects defualt settings based on your PC?! oh my god who woulda thought a game could do that. when i DID crash in the past it was due to Chunking. had nothing to do with my settings on the game.

the game is about the Journey to 50, to you.

i'm not alone when i wanna get to end game or get to level 50.

quests arn't boring?! are you kidding me? kill mobs, collect items. kill mobs, collect items. get a quest where you need to kill mobs and collect items but they are all 4 dots and 2 levels above you! GG Sigil seriously..

in comparison with FFXI Quests and Missions this game has nothing.

they are boring and i can only stand playing this game for 2-3 hours most at a time. if that's what Sigil had intended well i guess they did a good job. also, will i still play? yup i will

[Iendan]

quests arn't boring?! are you kidding me? kill mobs, collect items. kill mobs, collect items. get a quest where you need to kill mobs and collect items but they are all 4 dots and 2 levels above you! GG Sigil seriously..

i think you just proved that you dont read the quests...you should really try it sometime, things are always more fun when you know why you are doing it. Also, ive run into shit loads of quests that are different from kill x mobs/take x item to y npc, climbing rocks, answering riddles, jumping off high cliffs (loved that one ) go distract guards get poision, use said poision get this item and return it...o ya and you have to it in 5mins starting at the distraction...ya...that was a fun one