A Plea for Consistency in Action Ordering

[Hungkung]

/craftingselectstep X (X= which step it is in order from left to right)
/craftingselectaction X (ibid, this is the step they were talking about being careful about, in novice stuff you can just set up 3 extra buttons (2 for some crafts) to put your quality steps into the procedure and then just remember which buttons are to process the order and which improve the quality)

[Ysharros]

Check out this thread to get started. Note you will *not* be able to automate everything, but you can more or less halve the amount of clicking you have to do.

[Druilan]

actually i found out ingame, soon after posting it, bleh, us noobs... ^_^

[Shinto]

Originally Posted by SwordMage

If they don't fix the ordering bug, then the least they can do is provide some fail-safe for this example (even if it is only a change in the window title to show the number).

I'd just like to re-emphasize that there is no indication that this is a bug.

[SwordMage]

Originally Posted by Shinto

I'd just like to re-emphasize that there is no indication that this is a bug.

If it walks like a bug, and clicks like a bug, and shines like a bug, ...

[Shinto]

Originally Posted by SwordMage

If it walks like a bug, and clicks like a bug, and shines like a bug, ...

That it is a bug is an assumption, and one with no data. There is no randomness to the buttons, therefore the order has a definite cause. Nothing has been broken by this re-ordering. It is a logical step for discouraging botters, even if the cost is a minor inconvenience to legit crafters. I can see no logical reason to think that this is a bug.

[Ysharros]

I see your point Shinto, but I'm not sure how long it will discourage the dedicated cheaters. Looks like stuff was rearranged in a predictable way, which means once it's been recorded the botters won't be any worse off than they were.

Damn them anyway. If this *is* anti-bot measures then as usual the rest of us suffer for the selfishness of a few. Grrr.

[Shinto]

Originally Posted by Ysharros

I see your point Shinto, but I'm not sure how long it will discourage the dedicated cheaters. Looks like stuff was rearranged in a predictable way, which means once it's been recorded the botters won't be any worse off than they were.

Damn them anyway. If this *is* anti-bot measures then as usual the rest of us suffer for the selfishness of a few. Grrr.

Alas, such is the fate of the honest.

[Taronn Anvilmarr]

I too play several crafters and i have noticed the inconsistency of the button placements. I have sent in a couple of bug reports but havent seen any kind of response as of yet.

of course since they are always stressing exactly what they want in bug reports the ones i sent probly went into the circular file....

[SwordMage]

Originally Posted by Shinto

That it is a bug is an assumption, and one with no data. There is no randomness to the buttons, therefore the order has a definite cause. Nothing has been broken by this re-ordering. It is a logical step for discouraging botters, even if the cost is a minor inconvenience to legit crafters. I can see no logical reason to think that this is a bug.

That it is not a bug is based on an assumption, and one with no data. Randomness isn't the issue for me, rather it is bad user interface design. I am not at all sold by the notion that it is either a desirable or effective anti-botting defense. From my point of view it is just sloppy coding, something I would never have tolerated in any of the products I was involved with producing user interfaces for.