Question about secondary item

[mlsevero]

Hi folks,

I have searched the forum and didn't find anything about secondary items. So here is my question.

The grade of secondary item have impact on grade of primary item?
Because if not I will make only secondary items grade D and save a lot of time and supplies.

Thanks a lot

[]'s Marcio

[Ceyllynn]

in making leather armour my results:

refining
leather bundles: A - A+
cloth bolts: A -A+
attuned leather bundles: A - A+

finishing
folded cloth material: A - A+
leather bundles: A - A+
attuned leather bundles: A - A+

when i made the armour using the secondary items:

actual grade achieved low C (i only managed to get the quality bar to C)
end product: B (high secondary *folded material* pushed the C up to a B grade)

actual grade achieved low B (i only managed to get the quality bar to B)
end product: A (high secondary *folded material* pushed the B up to an A grade)

actual grade achieved low A (i only got a LOW A on the quality bar)
end product: A+ (high secondary *folded material* pushed the low A up to an A+ grade)


you will get higher amounts of whatever you add say wisdom.. if you get an A or a full A+ (the bar is maxed out when you finish)


secondaries are really, really important

[Sigurd]

I kinda got confused with those examples... I understand the A / A+ thing, but I wasn't clear on the upper section and how it related to the "actual grade achieved' section etc.

I always shoot for A on secondaries if my skill allows it, B if not - but then I don't generally >yet< make any reals unless I can get A on secondary.

I've made the assumption, however, that A vs A+ does NOT matter on secondaries since if I make an A and an A+ they stack identically. A vs A+ on the finished product can matter of course based on what you are making.

I am a VERY NOVICE crafter - wait for verification before accepting my theories.

[Ceyllynn]

i fixed my post up to make more sense.. sorry about that.

i would assume what i have done would work with any form of crafting

[mlsevero]

Thanks for your reply Ceyllynn

Very interesting informations. I will go back to refining table, try to make grade A+ sec items.

[]'s

[Shinto]

The way I understand this is that it is sort of an average. If your secondary component is one level higher than your primary, and your primary is above average within that grade (meaning about 65-74 instead of just 50, etc), then the final product will round up to one grade above the primary's grade. If the secondary is one grade below the primary, and the primary is below average within that grade, then the final product will round down. This extends to bigger grade differences between the primary and secondary, but I don't know exactly how.

[kreen]

Not being an outfitter and never trying that prof in beta I can't really comment on Ceyllynn's post, and I am still trying to make sense of it

However, as a weaponsmith I have seen no difference in getting a hilt to grade A (75%+) or A+ (100%) or an ingot for matter, enhanced or otherwise on the final quality and stats of the primary component. An A and an A+ both give me exactly the same just shy of grade C starting point on the primary component craft and the stats are the same on the secondary whether its A or A+. Possibly there is some hidden stuff going on during the crafting stages that I can't see but the starting point for the primary craft is the same no matter what sort of A you get.

Now, getting the primary to A or A+ does make a difference since you get the chance of a free upgrade to superior, and of course it makes a difference on tools, arrow stacks etc, those 200 arrow and 100 thrown weapon stacks are nice .

Possibly this changes at higher weaponsmith levels that I don't know about yet of course

Of course, if I have the spare action points during a real craft I always push everything to 100% anyway, but it seems to make no difference with secondaries for me on the final craft.

[Ceyllynn]

lmao... trust me i'm a level 21 leatherworker... and since i make a lot of armour... i paid attention to what works.. in outfitting atleast.