A moral dalema

Stuby · 03-17-2007, 01:22 AM

Ok so today I was a weapon crafting/selling whore I made 3 weapon sales at 1 gold each.

So heres my problem 2 of the weapons I sold were to 1 toon and they were very noob I mean noob to the point they didnt know how to invite me to a group so I could find them. She was a lvl 9 druid.

Now as a crafter selling goods am I obligated to report some one I am almost for sure bought the gold they have.

Im not saying that any low lvl player with gold to burn is a gold buyer cuz my weaponsmith is only a lvl 11 rogue but im also a lvl 19 weaponsmith that is selling high end goods.

So should I just take the dont ask dont tell stand and sell my weapons or should I be reporing ppl like this for suspition of gold buying. I cant report them now its to late but in the future should I?

Arctic_Slicer · 03-17-2007, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Stuby

Ok so today I was a weapon crafting/selling whore I made 3 weapon sales at 1 gold each.

So heres my problem 2 of the weapons I sold were to 1 toon and they were very noob I mean noob to the point they didnt know how to invite me to a group so I could find them. She was a lvl 9 druid.

Now as a crafter selling goods am I obligated to report some one I am almost for sure bought the gold they have.

Im not saying that any low lvl player with gold to burn is a gold buyer cuz my weaponsmith is only a lvl 11 rogue but im also a lvl 19 weaponsmith that is selling high end goods.

So should I just take the dont ask dont tell stand and sell my weapons or should I be reporing ppl like this for suspition of gold buying. I cant report them now its to late but in the future should I?

Just because she was able to fork out 2 gold doesn't mean that she is a gold buyer. It is quite possible that she made it from crafting and just started adventuring. At level 9 many people don't know how to do send invites.

Hungkung · 03-17-2007, 08:19 AM

I can see a level 9 adventurer having 2 gold...esp. a girl, (send your letters to sexistpig.com) you can grind up on a lot of work orders at A grade and make 1/2 silver a pop you turn in 200 WO's and if she's a diplo and has never bought a broker clothing, then yeah she could have that much money....and (forgive this) you coulda been being played with the blonde "i don't know how to change a tire" thing. My roommate is the queen of playing stupid for profit which the only moral redemption there is, is that she is a real girl rather than some guy named keith in winnigpeg getting guys hopes up.

if you continue to hang out with her and she has an endless pocketbook, that will tell you what you need to know.

but major kudo's for worrying about it, a lot of people wouldn't have even noted it.

Ysharros · 03-17-2007, 09:05 AM

Not knowing how to do group invites from the command line isn't necessarily a sign of noobness. I've known people who have played for years who didn't know some of the commands you could do without clicking on something or someone (SWG had lots of those).

She could be an alt, which explains the money. Hell if I put all the money together on all the alts I'd made, I'd probably have had 2g while still being level 9.

Edit - never mind the rest. I'm kinda sad that someone I respect brings up the old "Female gamers trade on their "assets" to get money" though. Because, yeah, it's something I do every day.

*mutter*

Stuby · 03-17-2007, 12:22 PM

Yeah but she told me in a tell that she was new 0.o

The main resone im consered is I dont wana be helping gold sellers/buyers launder there money.

Elidia Nacht · 03-17-2007, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ysharros

Edit - never mind the rest. I'm kinda sad that someone I respect brings up the old "Female gamers trade on their "assets" to get money" though. Because, yeah, it's something I do every day.

Well, some people do. Notice I said people, because it's more accurate to say "Female characters sometimes trade on their "assets" to get money." I'd guess that most of the female characters who are trading on their assets are male players who are playing cross-gender for just that reason. Also, I've heard of more than a few stories where female characters were offered things they neither earned nor asked for, in the silly MMO version of being hit on. Though no one has ever offered me free stuff, so I feel insulted. It's the robe, isn't it? It makes me look fat! *runs off crying*

Ysharros · 03-17-2007, 12:45 PM

Yeah, I think my bum must look big in mine too.

I'd said much the same as you did, only with a great deal less tact, since I'd not finished my first cup of coffee. Didn't want to be inflammatory.

I *do* know that the majority of people who say "Female chars get given LOADS of stuff!" are male, as is the majority of those who admit to trading on their assets as female chars. Course all the manipulative femme-fatale dame-players may not be admitting to it, but I'm proud to count none in my personal acquaintance.

Regarding the OP, I understand your dilemma, Stuby, but I think it's equally dangerous not to give people the benefit of the doubt. I can think of several other scenarios to explain her having 2g, aside from people defining "new" in varied ways. Heck, I still call myself a newb after 7 years in MMOs; I'm a perma-newb and proud of it.

I'm glad you posted your concerns rather than simply reporting her on suspicion. Keen as I am to stamp out the whole gold-selling thing, I would rather not see people unjustly persecuted. Mistaken accusations are *going* to happen as it is, but the less we see of them, the better IMO.

Naiya · 03-17-2007, 12:49 PM

actually - in AO (and as a consummate role player) that is one of my favorite things to do. Not trade on my "assets" as it were, but start my own little profiteering thing. This is how it works.

You find a higher level character that is past he "oh crap money is hard to come by" stage. This was 75+ in AO (which goes to 220). You then go up to them with a spiel (I would always have a female toon that was "trying to put herself through college") and offer to do menial jobs for them. There was some things that only a toon of my level/allegiance could get (I kept them in a sweet spot and knew what allegiance to be to get the most access to things the other side would need).

I was challenged to get 10,000 rounds of ammo to a soldier faster than he could do it himself (and at 100 rounds a click - that gets DARNED boring and most soldiers don't want to do it). Players would often tip and it worked well if you knew how to put the whole thing together and customized your spiel to the person you were talking to

It worked. I banked three or four real toons off this little taskmaster. The difference between AO and VAN however, is that I have things I can do *other than adventure* to make money and keep the game interesting. This was not the case in AO. And I really liked RP'ing - not something that was encouraged there so anytime I could pull it off, I was thrilled.

The side benefit was, I was not begging, I was willing to do tasks and get things they would need to buff/play/make their lives easier etc - that made other players more willing to work with me

I wonder if I could pull that off with a gnome

Hey mister crafter sir.... do you need any regents for your crafting? I can get it for you!

Edit - Aww.... now I feel bad because of Yash's comment

I'm only now finding out that what I considered a "cool role playing twist" is a crummy thing to do

Hungkung · 03-17-2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ysharros

Edit - never mind the rest. I'm kinda sad that someone I respect brings up the old "Female gamers trade on their "assets" to get money" though. Because, yeah, it's something I do every day.

*mutter*

Awww Ysh, I think maybe this is one of those "not being able to see facial expressions makes allllll the difference". It's not that female gamers use thier sexuality for gain, it's that male gamers percieve giving female gamers things will somehow help out thier male-gamer lack of sexuality.

Its the fantasy world equivlant of buying a appletini for a girl when it is clear she has an entire fruit forest in front of her from other guys, while she sips on a beer that she bought herself. when it comes to certain issues men can't be trusted with money.

there are women (female characters at least) who do use thier assets to for gain, which is no different from men using their testerone to make promises of riches by pillaging a dungeon; and thus getting gain for themselves. I think I understand your umbrage, and apologize for it where it was offensive, the only defense I'll offer is that I don't it's any more moral or righteous for a girl to promise with a smile or a man to promise with a grimmace, either way ya still gotta earn yourself with whatever happens. Saddly when women are nice, guys jump to the conclusion of..well we all know the conclusion, and when men are stalwart guys jump to the conclusion of "yay free oil"....

if a fool is dumb enough to believe in a fantasy they should get what they've earned. but point taken and thank you for editing your response, I'd have cried.

Shinto · 03-17-2007, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Stuby

Ok so today I was a weapon crafting/selling whore I made 3 weapon sales at 1 gold each.

So heres my problem 2 of the weapons I sold were to 1 toon and they were very noob I mean noob to the point they didnt know how to invite me to a group so I could find them. She was a lvl 9 druid.

Now as a crafter selling goods am I obligated to report some one I am almost for sure bought the gold they have.

Im not saying that any low lvl player with gold to burn is a gold buyer cuz my weaponsmith is only a lvl 11 rogue but im also a lvl 19 weaponsmith that is selling high end goods.

So should I just take the dont ask dont tell stand and sell my weapons or should I be reporing ppl like this for suspition of gold buying. I cant report them now its to late but in the future should I?

I would also be suspicious of this. I might not report it the first time it happens, but if that character comes back around and you see her wearing a full set of yellows at level 10, that would be a red flag for me.

If this happens again and you feel the need to investigate a bit, act impressed and ask how that player managed to get so much gold so quickly. If she admits to buying gold or gives something that is lame and obviously impossible, report. If there is a legit reason, then your fears are laid to rest.