Crafting Mafia

[Sigurd]

Btw - feel free to look me up on the VGPLayers thing - all my alts are there (inc the ones I am not yet playing) Ragnarr and Sigurd are the 'main' chars on each although in reality - Sig's account is now really Validus as my main.

You won't find a crafter over 8 (Sig) nor ever see any of those names selling crafted stuff for a long time to come (or never if market is ridiculous)

Just because I am not involved in some "Mafia" (who btw, do no such price fixing ... I'd call look to pharms or some other such thing ;P) - I do not believe there is even such on Thunder (Cey? do you know?) doesn't mean I don't find the whole impetus behind ppl bitching at crafter prices insulting (and evidence of the standard 'youthful outrage' of the unexperienced)

I thank those, who agreeing or not to my position on the seller not being required to charge what YOU want to pay ;P, pointed out the obvious about the POINT of this game. Especially comic from those who play on PvP servers which are even more often sociopathic (the OTHER common behaviour associated with youthful - though, being fair obviously not always) gankfests.


Free will fellas (and ladies)...

Choose to craft/dip/adv or all.
Choose to pay for something or make it for yourself, find it on a mob or choose to do without.

Choose to make something to sell or not.
Choose to not buy.


I choose not to buy (except about 3 bags and one axe drop cos got 30 of every other drop there and tired of waiting ;P) AND choose not to manufacture for now. I don't buy not because of prices, but because it is too early, I don't NEED any of that really and I LOVE the fun of looting something better than I am wearing - if I buy crafted gear (generally great stuff actually) I would not have the fun of replacing it regularly - ya, twisted, I know but that's me...


But I DO choose to state my opinions on all of the above ;P
Just like others will choose to declare XXXX a crook for charging a price he wants (note this does not mean rip that said price from the hands of the prospective buyer - the buyer must WILLINGLY hand it over...got that?)

[Denidil Taureran]

the argument "we also kill stuff in this game" is spurious at best - the point of the game being about killing monsters has nothing to do with whether or not it's ethical to engage in racketeering in game

[sorkvir]

Originally Posted by Denidil Taureran

the argument "we also kill stuff in this game" is spurious at best - the point of the game being about killing monsters has nothing to do with whether or not it's ethical to engage in racketeering in game

No its not ethical. But like you said, its a game. People can try to control the prices but they will not be able to. There is no way to get all the crafters in concert to fix the prices. There will always be several that just wants their crap to sell and will undercut prices. Its how economies work. So it may be frustrating now, but it won't last. Don't let a few greedy individuals get you down.

[Sigurd]

Btw, out of curiousity what servers have this issue?
(Just cos thru all this hooplah, I never caught where this was happening - not beating a dead horse, as I think I pretty much said my peace on the subject...FIDO)

[Hitomi]

Originally Posted by Denidil Taureran

the argument "we also kill stuff in this game" is spurious at best - the point of the game being about killing monsters has nothing to do with whether or not it's ethical to engage in racketeering in game

Part of the freedom of the game is being able to choose whether one wants to be ethical or not.

If people wanted to live by real world societal rules, they wouldn't be playing a game... they'd be outside.

Ethics is nothing in a video game in a virtual world. If you're looking for ethical behavior then you have vastly misplaced your priorities in playing a video game. Some people play videos SPECIFICALLY to act in a manner or manners that they can not do so in real life, such as to be a price-jacking racketeer. Which is fine. That's why they call it a FANTASY game.

[Shinto]

It is possible that we don't have all of the facts here. Tekken, how much does a Superior Brute's Shortsword of Striking and a Superior Defender's Shortsword of Striking go for on your server?

By the way, whether or not it is for a reason, please be objective and don't add personal comments. This thread is much better if it remains a mature discussion.

[Hitomi]

Originally Posted by Shinto

It is possible that we don't have all of the facts here. Tekken, how much does a Superior Brute's Shortsword of Striking and a Superior Defender's Shortsword of Striking go for on your server?

By the way, whether or not it is for a reason, please be objective and don't add personal comments. This thread is much better if it remains a mature discussion.

Agreed, bringing specific player names into it without any proof (or even with proof) is simply personalizing an issue that requires objectivity.

For instance, the attacks on Sigmund. Very uncalled for. Just because one doesn't agree with the subject of the post and/or has a contrary opinion to what the "collective" assumes is good is no reason to attack that person. There is no guilt here, and therefore there's no guilt by association.

People can do what they want in a video game and generally some actions are going to offend others. That's part of the appeal of playing a game that is designed to (basically) simulate parts of reality. If we're going to play a game that depends on other people and the population of that world is largely made up of other real people then you have to accept the fact that there are going to be things that people do that you don't like and don't agree with it.

There will be "criminals" in the game. There will be "bad" in the game. There will be immoral and unethical things in the game. There will be unfairness. That is how the world works. That is where a fantasy's sense of good vs evil gets created. That is what fosters people to work together or to betray each other. All of that. But at the end of the day, it's also just a game.

[Tekken Longbow]

Your right, that was uncalled for. Truely sorry for bringing someones name up and making it a personnel attack when there was obviously no need to bring it here but when a player starts to list the SAME exact stuff you happen to have on the market and put the price at 5-10s lower, it kinda gets to you after awhile and starts to effect what i enjoy doing in-game.

Now that all my ranting is out which should have been kept to myself i would like to add that there is no problem with forming alliances, but there is a problem with hindering or interfering with anyones gameplay.

Us crafters should be responsible and mature enough to look past petty problems like this and just go with the flow...let the price competition and undercutting happen because it only helps out everyone else in the end. Myself and im sure alot of others i think are just being selfish now that i really look at it and all i can say is i learned a valuable lesson here and am ashamed to act in such aggression as i did earlier.

Also, this situation couldnt really happen as there is plenty of crafters out there that you can find anything you need...there is no alliance that big on any server i would imagine. Again im sorry for turning that post into a persennel attack and hope this problem is resolved with whoever the player involved is.

[Tekken Longbow]

Forgot to add what shinto asked...

They were going for 2g when i first started making them about 2 weeks after release and then i brought mine down to 1g,70s when they fixed deconstructing and now you know who likes to put them at 90s-1g10s depending on what mine are priced at...i never go lower then 1g,20s as it cost about 80s-1g to make depending on how much you pay for the striking dust.

[Denidil Taureran]

Originally Posted by Hitomi

Part of the freedom of the game is being able to choose whether one wants to be ethical or not.

If people wanted to live by real world societal rules, they wouldn't be playing a game... they'd be outside.

Ethics is nothing in a video game in a virtual world. If you're looking for ethical behavior then you have vastly misplaced your priorities in playing a video game. Some people play videos SPECIFICALLY to act in a manner or manners that they can not do so in real life, such as to be a price-jacking racketeer. Which is fine. That's why they call it a FANTASY game.

clearly your expectations are completely in contradiction with the expectations of all the MMO players i associate with

the ones i associate with fly the "BAN THE ******* BASTARDS" flag