I love you Silius!

[Shinto]

I am so psyched now! This is the best item of my career so far, even if it was dead hard to obtain. I don't think I'll be able to make another soon, though. The dust for this one is really hard to get for some reason.

By the way, I'm counting this as definite proof that crafting is worthwhile.

[Shinto]

I'm definitely loving this. Here's another one.

[Shinto]

Yeah, here's another...sorry, couldn't help myself...

[Iendan]

:wideeyed: :err: Congo Rats, those are some sweet weaps .

[sorkvir]

Nice! Those are some pretty awesome weapons there.

[Ysharros]

Very nice.

I do feel the need to point out that very few of us have said crafting *isn't* worthwhile. Having issues with how it's working now is not the same thing. You may not agree with those issues, which is your prerogative and perhaps your good luck, but equating what we're saying with "We hate the crafting system" isn't entirely fair.

Sorry for the partial hijack, but I am getting the increasing impression you wish we would just shut up and stop whining. If this is not the case, my apologies.

[Shinto]

Originally Posted by Ysharros

Very nice.

I do feel the need to point out that very few of us have said crafting *isn't* worthwhile. Having issues with how it's working now is not the same thing. You may not agree with those issues, which is your prerogative and perhaps your good luck, but equating what we're saying with "We hate the crafting system" isn't entirely fair.

Sorry for the partial hijack, but I am getting the increasing impression you wish we would just shut up and stop whining. If this is not the case, my apologies.

Actually, when I wrote that, I had in mind a post from one of the other affiliate forums in which someone said outright that crafting is a waste of time. The issues you have raised are legitimate, even if I disagree. I do feel that there needs to be at least one positive voice in all this, though.

[Ysharros]

My bad then. Though for the most part I feel I *have* tried to be positive. I love the system, I just think it needs a bit of tweaking, or untweaking.

Raising issues is not, in my book, being negative. I've done my venting, and I'm doing my best to be constructive.

Either way, there are some kick-ass items to be made in Vanguard - and if some people think it's a waste of their time, that's their loss. ;-) Personally I applaud a system that requires effort and *isn't* set up for every Tom, Dick or Jane who has 5 minutes in between adventuring groups - it's about time we had that!

[Shinto]

I realized after the fact that posting my frustration here even in such a small way probably isn't the best idea. I keep hearing, in-game and out, how difficult crafting is and how it doesn't get any results anyhow. I know that you are aiming for the improvement of the system, but other people just want to trash it altogether.

You are right, though: If everyone who tried could do it, it wouldn't be worthwhile.

[Ysharros]

The dividing line between crafters and non-crafters, or even between crafters and hobby-crafters, is still pretty sharp. Most games to date have encouraged crafting as a pastime, not a "serious" pursuit like adventuring (with a few notable exceptions, none of which are doing very well right now).

Some of the hate you're reacting to (and believe me, I've heard it too, and I sympathise) comes from those who won't like any non-trivial crafting system no matter how it's designed, because they think crafting itself should be trivial.

Some of it comes from people who might be crafters but who have been thrown into panic mode by the Vanguard system - we'll see how they turn out over time. One thing this crafting system surely does is separate the men from the boys, so to speak. :-D

And then, when bad things happen, there's always some venting, like mine. I'm pretty careful these days NOT to say "That's it! I'm outta here!" -- because I know from experience I'm a total junkie and it's probably not true anyway. For others though, throwing the rattle out of the pram is just normal venting, to be ignored and instantly forgotten. (It's just hard for the crafting hos like me to ignore and not react - maybe I've had an easier time of it than you lately in that respect.)

I understand your concerns totally, and if I'm colluding in giving VG crafting a bad name then I need to fix the way I'm coming across, because that's the last thing I intend.

And those items are still pretty kick-ass. I'd level my weaponsmith if I wasn't feeling so bloody poorly today.